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The Convener SNP

Agenda item 2 is oral evidence on the aforementioned Succession (Scotland) Bill. We have two panels: first, a panel of legal academics and secondly, witnesse...

Professor Janeen Carruthers (University of Glasgow)

In terms of seeing action and movement, two bills is the sensible way forward. Once two bills become two acts, it might be sensible to consolidate them, so t...

The Convener SNP

When that consolidation occurs—assuming that it does—would it be practicable to try to consolidate absolutely everything in statute at that point or would th...

Professor Carruthers

That gives rise to the question whether it is necessary to put into legislative form a rule that already operates effectively at common law. Personally, I do...

The Convener SNP

I am not a succession lawyer, but there will be previous statutes that still interact—I rather imagine that there will be several, given the way that law is ...

Professor Carruthers

My view is that it is better to have fewer pieces of the jigsaw that have to be put together. It is simpler to work from a smaller number of statutes than fr...

Professor Elizabeth Crawford (University of Glasgow)

Perhaps it would be too big a task to try to put absolutely everything into some compendious act in the future. After all, the formal validity of wills is ni...

Stewart Stevenson (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP

Forgive me, Professor Carruthers, but I want to be clear. You used the phrase “In my personal view”. Do you have another hat that you might wear with which y...

Professor Carruthers

It was exactly the latter. I simply did not want to suggest that I was giving the panel’s view.

Stewart Stevenson SNP

That is fine. Thank you.

Professor Roderick Paisley (University of Aberdeen)

It would be possible to consolidate the existing statutory material on the law of succession into one act after the two bills are enacted. However, it would ...

The Convener SNP

I am grateful for those general comments. We will, of course, get into the details of the bill but I will pursue one more general question. Do any of you hav...

Professor Crawford

It is an excellent idea to separate the technical from the more policy-driven or controversial issues, but the difficulty lies in drawing the dividing line a...

The Convener SNP

I appreciate that. Section 9 is one that we will undoubtedly come to.

Professor Paisley

I would like to make a point about the Forfeiture Act 1982, which is being amended in the Succession (Scotland) Bill. I am quite surprised at that; I think t...

The Convener SNP

Thank you for that comment, which is much appreciated. Stewart Stevenson will look at section 1 and the effect of divorce.

Stewart Stevenson SNP

I want to probe the provisions in section 1 in relation to guardians of a child, to see whether they cover instances in which a will has appointed a former s...

Professor Carruthers

I think that the Law Society of Scotland drew particular attention in its written evidence to the inclusion of the word “guardian” in section 1(1)(a)(ii). I ...

Stewart Stevenson SNP

Right. No one else wishes to contribute, so I will move on. TrustBar has raised the issue of whether section 1 should take effect at the point at which the m...

Professor Crawford

I have given some thought to this and I tend to favour the characterisation and the manner of drafting that are laid down at present. It is always difficult ...

Professor Carruthers

The written evidence from the Faculty of Advocates suggests that section 1(1)(d) could be drafted according to the testator’s domicile at the date of the div...

Professor Crawford

It is really a nice point. There is a rule, supported by precedent, that the question whether a will is revoked by a marriage is a matter of matrimonial law,...

Stewart Stevenson SNP

Is there a practical issue as well? First, as Professor Crawford said, it would be a divorce recognised under Scots law, which is immediately restricting, so...

Professor Crawford

Yes, there is a practical issue.

Professor Carruthers

Section 1 is about applicability. It starts with the words, “This section applies where”, so tying it to the testator’s domicile at death is sensible in so f...

The Convener SNP

Professor Paisley, do you have anything to add?

Professor Paisley

Yes, I would like to comment on the way that section 1 is designed. It is a provision of the law of succession, and the real intention, in the guts of the bi...

Stewart Stevenson SNP

I want to open up some of the terminological difficulties that I have had as we have looked at this. There are two other places in the bill where a person is...

Professor Paisley

The fewer legal fictions that we have, the better. You should try to move the law so that it is as consonant as possible with the actual intentions of the te...

Professor Crawford

In relation to what Professor Paisley said about section 1(2), to save a lot of redrafting, it might be possible to say, “For the purposes of the benefits or...