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Meeting of the Parliament 02 April 2015

02 Apr 2015 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Prisoners (Control of Release) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Allard, Christian SNP North East Scotland Watch on SPTV

First, I would like to thank all the Justice Committee members and the organisations and individuals who came to give evidence. It was a long session and our chair did great work. It was very interesting to see how much the committee influenced what happened right after and how it influenced the decision of the cabinet secretary. In fact, it was the organisations and individuals who gave evidence—more so than the members perhaps—who changed the report and made it what it is.

The committee supported the general principles of the bill at stage 1. As the cabinet secretary said in his letter to the Justice Committee convener on 3 February, the

“bill provides a step towards achieving”

the aim of

“ending the current system of automatic early release of prisoners, brought in by the then UK Government in 1993.”

John Major’s Conservative Government brought in automatic early release to tackle concerns about prison overcrowding; it was under a Tory Government that criminals were let out of prison after serving only half of their sentence, no questions asked. It was an admission of many failures if ever there was one—of sending too many people to prison, of failing to accommodate them and then of failing to release them under supervision. That is the situation that the SNP Government wants to address, particularly the so-called cold release that the Conservative Government introduced in 1993. With this bill, the SNP Government is taking the first step to end automatic early release.

The bill is all about the right of prisoners to be supported when coming out of prison and the right of families of victims to know that offenders should be assessed before they are released. In other words, it is about public safety. That issue is not only at the core of section 1; section 2 will give the Scottish Prison Service the power to release prisoners up to two days early to facilitate community reintegration. How important is that? We heard in evidence that it is, in fact, very important. A couple of days can make a lot of difference. If a prisoner is released over a weekend, they will not be able to access services and might not have anywhere to stay. We must make release as easy as possible for various prisoners; in fact, we are talking about a huge number of prisoners, given that the provisions apply to all prisoners serving more than 15 days. This measure, which will certainly make a lot of difference, is only common sense, and I have to wonder why it was not introduced before.

Section 2 deals with the last few days before release, and section 1 deals with the last few weeks and months in the same spirit. It is all about supporting prisoners when released, recognising the right of families of victims and improving public safety. In his February letter, the cabinet secretary confirmed to our committee that the Scottish Government intended to lodge amendments at stage 2 to extend the provisions of section 1 and end automatic release for all long-term prisoners, regardless of category.

Let me make it clear: the quality of the evidence that we received has helped the cabinet secretary to be able to amend the bill at stage 2. I note that Elaine Murray has commended the cabinet secretary for his approach, and I think that his pragmatism is to be applauded. He recognised that this first step towards ending automatic early release of prisoners was too small, and he is acting on it by extending the remit of the bill to cover all long-term prisoners.

As paragraph 45 of the committee’s report points out, witnesses told us that prisoners might still be released into the community without mandatory supervision—what has been called “cold release”—and paragraph 46 quotes Professor Tata from the University of Strathclyde as saying:

“We need to explain to members of the public that eventually prisoners have to come out and that if someone is released cold they are more likely to reoffend.”

It is an important point, and I must thank Professor Tata for his contribution. His was one of the strong voices highlighting to committee members the danger that the bill would not eradicate all the problems of cold release. When describing the changes that could come about, he also said:

“Effective reintegration is a prerequisite for public safety.”

I certainly more than agree with that observation. Furthermore, with regard to the powers of the Parole Board and how much of a difference it can make, Peter Johnston of the Risk Management Authority said:

“The Parole Board ... has huge expertise in looking at the risk that the released offender”—[Official Report, Justice Committee, 20 January 2015; c 3, 7, 6.]

presents.

I am delighted that stage 2 amendments will address all these important concerns, because the fact is that we have been here before. In welcoming the committee’s report, the Law Society of Scotland pointed out the shortcomings of previous legislation such as the Custodial Sentences and Weapons (Scotland) Act 2007. The Law Society is right: seven years after that act was passed, the parts of it that relate to sentencing have still not come into force. The reason is simple: the expectations of the act were too high. Indeed, they were so high that it soon became apparent that it would not be possible to implement the provisions.

As Jayne Baxter has said, we are where we are. We have to move on. We have learned the lessons of the past, and the pragmatism demonstrated in the bill has to be commended.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith) Lab
Good afternoon. The first item of business is a debate on motion S4M-12878, in the name of Michael Matheson, on the Prisoners (Control of Release) (Scotland)...
The Cabinet Secretary for Justice (Michael Matheson) SNP
I begin by apologising for my late arrival, which was entirely my fault and responsibility. I welcome the opportunity to speak in this debate at stage 1 of ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
I call Christine Grahame to speak on behalf of the Justice Committee. 14:46
Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP) SNP
Thank you, Presiding Officer. I welcome the opportunity to speak in the debate and, as you say, I speak as the convener of the Justice Committee. I will spea...
Elaine Murray (Dumfriesshire) (Lab) Lab
I thank the clerks and the witnesses for their efforts in bringing a lot of issues to the committee’s attention during the stage 1 process. The Scottish Nat...
Margaret Mitchell (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
This stage 1 debate on the Prisoners (Control of Release) (Scotland) Bill is an important one. I thank the clerks, the convener and my fellow members of the ...
Christian Allard (North East Scotland) (SNP) SNP
Will Margaret Mitchell take an intervention?
Margaret Mitchell Con
If Mr Allard does not mind, I will make some progress. That is not a precedent that the Scottish Parliament should set or encourage, and nor is the cabinet ...
Nigel Don (Angus North and Mearns) (SNP) SNP
I speak on the bill in my capacity as convener of the Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee. Although the bill contains only one delegated power, the com...
Stewart Stevenson (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
Is it the committee’s view that that is not simply a matter in relation to this bill, but a principle that it wants to apply in similar circumstances in simi...
Nigel Don SNP
Stewart Stevenson’s point is absolutely fair. As a member of the DPLR Committee, he will accept that that is our concern. We have tried to bring principled a...
Roderick Campbell (North East Fife) (SNP) SNP
In historical terms, parole is quite recent, and the Parole Board for Scotland was set up only in 1968. Parole was subject to an important review by Lord Kin...
Jayne Baxter (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
There is little doubt that the criminal justice system in Scotland is in desperate need of reform. The aspect of that system that the bill seeks to address—s...
Christian Allard (North East Scotland) (SNP) SNP
First, I would like to thank all the Justice Committee members and the organisations and individuals who came to give evidence. It was a long session and our...
Patricia Ferguson (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (Lab) Lab
I am sorry to interrupt the member, but my reading of what the Law Society said to members was not that the 2007 act was inadequate but that, if the bill was...
Christian Allard SNP
What I said was my interpretation of what the Law Society said. As I was saying, it all comes down to implementation. If the Government has a problem with im...
Alison McInnes (North East Scotland) (LD) LD
I apologise to members in advance, as I have a sore throat. If automatic early release for long-term prisoners is to be abolished, the alternative must pass...
Gil Paterson (Clydebank and Milngavie) (SNP) SNP
I am pleased to take part in the debate as a member of the Justice Committee. The ending of automatic early release for prisoners is seen by a large cross-...
Margaret McDougall (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
As we have heard, the bill before us—which proposes to end automatic early release for sex offenders serving four years or more and other offenders serving 1...
Stewart Stevenson (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
I very much welcome the opportunity to speak on this important subject. We all know that control over the release of prisoners is a subject that has needed t...
Christina McKelvie (Hamilton, Larkhall and Stonehouse) (SNP) SNP
I am not, and never have been, a member of the Justice Committee, but looking back over the eight years that I have spent in the Parliament and the debates o...
Patricia Ferguson (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (Lab) Lab
As an MSP who is not a member of the Justice Committee and is therefore not as familiar with the systems and processes that are involved in our application o...
Christine Grahame SNP
Does the member accept that the Justice Committee will have the opportunity to take evidence on what might be substantial amendments at stage 2 if it wishes ...
Patricia Ferguson Lab
I absolutely accept that, but it is still quite a strange way to legislate. The committee and Parliament should really have had those materials at stage 1 if...
Clare Adamson (Central Scotland) (SNP) SNP
The decisions that we make as the bill goes through Parliament will affect our prison communities. A prison community is much more than the prisoners; the st...
John Finnie (Highlands and Islands) (Ind) Ind
I, too, thank the many people who gave the evidence that formed the basis of the Justice Committee’s report. I will quote straight away from one of them, Pro...
Annabel Goldie (West Scotland) (Con) Con
The debate has revealed a conundrum. People either support or oppose automatic early release. Those who support it want it; those who oppose it do not want i...
Christian Allard SNP
Will the member give way?
Annabel Goldie Con
Let me just expand my argument. As a political principle, my party’s credentials could not be clearer on the issue. In 2007, it was heartening to find that ...
Stewart Stevenson SNP
Will the member take an intervention?