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Meeting of the Parliament 02 April 2015

02 Apr 2015 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Prisoners (Control of Release) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Don, Nigel SNP Angus North and Mearns Watch on SPTV

I speak on the bill in my capacity as convener of the Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee. Although the bill contains only one delegated power, the committee has concerns about how that power may be exercised. Indeed, the strength of the committee’s concerns is such that it agreed that I should take the unusual step of contributing to the debate from its perspective.

Section 3(2) provides that the Scottish ministers may, by order, bring sections 1 and 2 into force on an appointed day. Section 3(3) provides that such a commencement order

“may include transitional, transitory or saving provision.”

In considering the bill, the committee noted that a commencement order made under section 3 will not be subject to any form of parliamentary procedure, irrespective of whether it includes transitional provisions. That provision for the attachment of transitional provisions to a commencement order, combined with the lack of opportunity for parliamentary scrutiny of such provisions, has prompted me to speak today.

The committee has accepted in principle that

“transitional, transitory or saving provision”

may be required in a commencement order under the bill, but it considers that the use of such provisions could have a significant effect on certain persons who will be affected by the bill. For example, the committee noted that a commencement order that is made under section 3 could contain transitional provisions relating to the adjustment of prisoner release dates and that it may be possible for the powers to be exercised in such a way as to have different effects on different prisoners. The possibility of different effects on prisoners could, depending on the provisions, raise consideration of rights that are protected by the European convention on human rights.

The committee wrote to the Scottish Government to ask whether it would consider lodging an amendment to make the power at section 3(2) subject to parliamentary scrutiny through negative or affirmative procedure. The Government’s response explained that the powers in subsections (2) and (3) would be used to make a straightforward commencement order that would relate specifically to commencement of the bill. Therefore, the Scottish Government did not consider it necessary for the power to be subject to any form of parliamentary scrutiny.

However, on considering the response, the committee’s view remained that where a commencement order includes transitional, transitory or saving provision under section 3(3), it should be subjected to parliamentary scrutiny. Therefore, the committee recommended in its report that the Scottish Government lodge an appropriate amendment at stage 2 to make a commencement order made under section 3(2) subject to negative procedure if it contains such provisions.

However, the Government’s response to the report reiterated its view that it would not be appropriate for the power at section 3(2) to be made subject to any form of parliamentary procedure other than an order being laid before Parliament. The Government also pointed out that Parliament will be given an opportunity to express its views on a commencement order made under section 3 when it is laid.

We are not persuaded by that response. The committee’s view remains that, where a commencement order includes a transitional, transitory or saving provision that is of the potential significance of those for the bill, then such a power should be subject to parliamentary scrutiny.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith) Lab
Good afternoon. The first item of business is a debate on motion S4M-12878, in the name of Michael Matheson, on the Prisoners (Control of Release) (Scotland)...
The Cabinet Secretary for Justice (Michael Matheson) SNP
I begin by apologising for my late arrival, which was entirely my fault and responsibility. I welcome the opportunity to speak in this debate at stage 1 of ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
I call Christine Grahame to speak on behalf of the Justice Committee. 14:46
Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP) SNP
Thank you, Presiding Officer. I welcome the opportunity to speak in the debate and, as you say, I speak as the convener of the Justice Committee. I will spea...
Elaine Murray (Dumfriesshire) (Lab) Lab
I thank the clerks and the witnesses for their efforts in bringing a lot of issues to the committee’s attention during the stage 1 process. The Scottish Nat...
Margaret Mitchell (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
This stage 1 debate on the Prisoners (Control of Release) (Scotland) Bill is an important one. I thank the clerks, the convener and my fellow members of the ...
Christian Allard (North East Scotland) (SNP) SNP
Will Margaret Mitchell take an intervention?
Margaret Mitchell Con
If Mr Allard does not mind, I will make some progress. That is not a precedent that the Scottish Parliament should set or encourage, and nor is the cabinet ...
Nigel Don (Angus North and Mearns) (SNP) SNP
I speak on the bill in my capacity as convener of the Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee. Although the bill contains only one delegated power, the com...
Stewart Stevenson (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
Is it the committee’s view that that is not simply a matter in relation to this bill, but a principle that it wants to apply in similar circumstances in simi...
Nigel Don SNP
Stewart Stevenson’s point is absolutely fair. As a member of the DPLR Committee, he will accept that that is our concern. We have tried to bring principled a...
Roderick Campbell (North East Fife) (SNP) SNP
In historical terms, parole is quite recent, and the Parole Board for Scotland was set up only in 1968. Parole was subject to an important review by Lord Kin...
Jayne Baxter (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
There is little doubt that the criminal justice system in Scotland is in desperate need of reform. The aspect of that system that the bill seeks to address—s...
Christian Allard (North East Scotland) (SNP) SNP
First, I would like to thank all the Justice Committee members and the organisations and individuals who came to give evidence. It was a long session and our...
Patricia Ferguson (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (Lab) Lab
I am sorry to interrupt the member, but my reading of what the Law Society said to members was not that the 2007 act was inadequate but that, if the bill was...
Christian Allard SNP
What I said was my interpretation of what the Law Society said. As I was saying, it all comes down to implementation. If the Government has a problem with im...
Alison McInnes (North East Scotland) (LD) LD
I apologise to members in advance, as I have a sore throat. If automatic early release for long-term prisoners is to be abolished, the alternative must pass...
Gil Paterson (Clydebank and Milngavie) (SNP) SNP
I am pleased to take part in the debate as a member of the Justice Committee. The ending of automatic early release for prisoners is seen by a large cross-...
Margaret McDougall (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
As we have heard, the bill before us—which proposes to end automatic early release for sex offenders serving four years or more and other offenders serving 1...
Stewart Stevenson (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
I very much welcome the opportunity to speak on this important subject. We all know that control over the release of prisoners is a subject that has needed t...
Christina McKelvie (Hamilton, Larkhall and Stonehouse) (SNP) SNP
I am not, and never have been, a member of the Justice Committee, but looking back over the eight years that I have spent in the Parliament and the debates o...
Patricia Ferguson (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (Lab) Lab
As an MSP who is not a member of the Justice Committee and is therefore not as familiar with the systems and processes that are involved in our application o...
Christine Grahame SNP
Does the member accept that the Justice Committee will have the opportunity to take evidence on what might be substantial amendments at stage 2 if it wishes ...
Patricia Ferguson Lab
I absolutely accept that, but it is still quite a strange way to legislate. The committee and Parliament should really have had those materials at stage 1 if...
Clare Adamson (Central Scotland) (SNP) SNP
The decisions that we make as the bill goes through Parliament will affect our prison communities. A prison community is much more than the prisoners; the st...
John Finnie (Highlands and Islands) (Ind) Ind
I, too, thank the many people who gave the evidence that formed the basis of the Justice Committee’s report. I will quote straight away from one of them, Pro...
Annabel Goldie (West Scotland) (Con) Con
The debate has revealed a conundrum. People either support or oppose automatic early release. Those who support it want it; those who oppose it do not want i...
Christian Allard SNP
Will the member give way?
Annabel Goldie Con
Let me just expand my argument. As a political principle, my party’s credentials could not be clearer on the issue. In 2007, it was heartening to find that ...
Stewart Stevenson SNP
Will the member take an intervention?