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Meeting of the Parliament 16 June 2011

16 Jun 2011 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Scottish Broadcasting and the Scottish Digital Network

I have not seen the show, but I have heard that it is an excellent piece of programming. I certainly would not include it in my comments, but we have made shows here that do not necessarily fulfil the remit of addressing our needs in Scotland. For example, when “Question Time” moves up here, David Dimbleby will remain ensconced in London.

Broadcasting is not about the number of widgets that are produced from a particular cost centre; it is about reflecting the richness of our culture. The broadcast media are just as important as literature, painting and theatre and provide the culture with which most people in the country engage. Broadcasting is hugely important for our national life, for scrutinising our democratic institutions, for offering a forum for debate and for promoting understanding of our country.

I draw members’ attention to research that has been uncovered by former BBC journalist Kenneth Roy, which shows that the amount of English-language programming that is made in Scotland and is about Scotland has fallen in the past few years. In 2004, £72 million was spent on such programming, but by 2009 the figure was £50 million. It is fantastic that we are building up technical capacity by making shows such as “The Weakest Link”, “The Old Guys” and “The National Lottery: Secret Fortune”, but that is a real problem if it is done at the expense of programmes that address important issues in our culture. I am not knocking the BBC—I happen to think that the BBC is a fine institution that produces fantastic quality and breadth.

Nationally, the BBC has a huge range of news and current affairs platforms. We have highbrow programmes such as “Today” and “Newsnight” and we have Radio 5 live and youth programmes such as “Newsbeat”, all of which are excellent. However, they do not have capacity to address Scottish news and current affairs, and I am not sure that it is reasonable for us to expect them to do that, because 90 per cent of the people who watch and listen to those programmes are in other areas of the UK. Although they might be interested in what happens in the chamber from time to time, they are not going to demand the level of detail that people in Scotland would. That is why it is important that we focus on improving the quality of programmes made in Scotland for Scots, and I am hopeful that the Scottish digital network will do that.

This is by way of illustration. We have just been through an election campaign and, as a member of the winning party, I perhaps should not complain about the coverage that we got. However, it was disgraceful that BBC Scotland, as the public service broadcaster, managed to do only one leaders’ debate that was broadcast late at night, whereas STV, which is not subsidised to the same extent, managed two at prime time.

During the general election last year, there was a huge lead-up to the leaders’ debate, which engaged people in the democratic process.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Tricia Marwick) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-00308, in the name of Fiona Hyslop, on Scottish broadcasting and the Scottish digital network. 14:55
The Cabinet Secretary for Culture and External Affairs (Fiona Hyslop) SNP
I welcome Patricia Ferguson and Ruth Davidson to their front-bench positions. I look forward to working with them and other MSPs to support culture in Scotla...
Ruth Davidson (Glasgow) (Con) Con
Does the minister agree that we have a problem with take-up in certain parts of the country, particularly in my part of Glasgow, which, despite having some o...
Fiona Hyslop SNP
I fully agree. Indeed, that point was made in the Government’s digital strategy, which we launched in March of this year. The member is absolutely right. We ...
Ruth Davidson Con
Is the cabinet secretary criticising the Scottish Government for consulting her when it does not need to? That sounds a little like what she is doing, which ...
Fiona Hyslop SNP
I am not criticising the Scottish Government because we are the Scottish Government.
Ruth Davidson Con
I meant the UK Government.
Fiona Hyslop SNP
We went proactively to the UK Government when it was making its local television proposals and said, “Look, the Scottish digital network could sit within tha...
Patricia Ferguson (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) Lab
I thank the minister for her good wishes. I hope that she will not mind my saying that it is good to see culture back at the Cabinet table. It has languished...
Fiona Hyslop SNP
That is a very important point. Our digital strategy, launched in March, set out that we want to see significant progress by 2015. We also have a commitment ...
Patricia Ferguson Lab
Given the publication of the strategy in March, I was going to ask the minister what steps had been taken thereafter to make it a reality, so that interventi...
Ruth Davidson (Glasgow) (Con) Con
I thank the cabinet secretary for her good wishes to me on taking up my new post as the culture spokesperson for the Conservatives. I also welcome the ascens...
Fiona Hyslop SNP
Ruth Davidson talks about future proofing and price. Surely a publicly funded Scottish digital network, with free access to all and available on television a...
Ruth Davidson Con
That is where the conflation and confusion are. We have always installed the strategic hardware centrally. That is fine, but if somebody uses their personal ...
Fiona Hyslop SNP
It is a very important point. I refer the member to the evidence that Blair Jenkins gave to the Education, Lifelong Learning and Culture Committee in the pre...
Ruth Davidson Con
I am glad of the reassurance that such a development would be by invitation. I worry about protecting a service for which members of the Parliament fought ha...
Clare Adamson (Central Scotland) (SNP) SNP
I am delighted to speak in the debate as we examine the plans for broadcasting in Scotland and the proposals to establish a Scottish digital network. In 200...
Patricia Ferguson Lab
I gently suggest to Clare Adamson that much of that has to do with editorial practices in programming situations. For example, if she casts her mind back to ...
Clare Adamson SNP
I agree that the broadcasting opportunities that a Scottish digital network would bring would allow far more of those kinds of events to be covered and to be...
Ruth Davidson Con
Does the member acknowledge that the amount of UK network programming that has been commissioned, executed and filmed in Scotland and which has been shown to...
Clare Adamson SNP
Of course I welcome that; indeed, the cabinet secretary has highlighted the progress that has been made in such areas. However, we still have some way to go....
James Kelly (Rutherglen) (Lab) Lab
I welcome the opportunity to take part in this afternoon’s debate, first and foremost because in my years as an MSP this is the first time I have spoken abou...
Fiona Hyslop SNP
I agree with all the comments that the member has made, but it is important to accentuate the fact that the Scottish digital network is not just about progra...
James Kelly Lab
I agree that it is not purely about TV programming. There are important technological opportunities, which I will come to later in my speech. As well as publ...
Joan McAlpine (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP
I draw members’ attention to my entry in the register of members’ interests, which shows that I have a background in the media, that I receive continuing rem...
Ruth Davidson Con
Is the member suggesting that, for example, “Lip Service”, a network programme shown on BBC 3 and set in Glasgow, featuring a bunch of Glaswegian lesbians, w...
Joan McAlpine SNP
I have not seen the show, but I have heard that it is an excellent piece of programming. I certainly would not include it in my comments, but we have made sh...
Ruth Davidson Con
In the lead-up to last year’s general election there were a number of Scottish debates, which involved the Secretary of State for Scotland, the shadow Scotti...
Joan McAlpine SNP
That is wrong: we were excluded from those debates. I could say a great deal about those debates, which completely ignored Scotland and in which we were not ...
Helen Eadie (Cowdenbeath) (Lab) Lab
Like the minister and many others who have spoken in the chamber today, I welcome the huge improvements that have been made to Scotland’s digital infrastruct...