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Meeting of the Parliament 16 June 2011

16 Jun 2011 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Scottish Broadcasting and the Scottish Digital Network

I thank the cabinet secretary for her good wishes to me on taking up my new post as the culture spokesperson for the Conservatives. I also welcome the ascension of the post of Cabinet Secretary for Culture and External Affairs to the Cabinet of the Scottish Government.

I also thank the cabinet secretary for her speech about the Scottish digital network. As one of the many newbies in the Parliament, I recognise the amount of work that was done on the matter by members in the previous session of Parliament, particularly by my former colleague Ted Brocklebank. That work was impressive, but we need more information, particularly following the cabinet secretary’s speech.

First, we need to hear more about the framework and vision for a digital network. Are we talking about linear or online programming? Would it be on demand or a mixture? How would it happen? What would the progression be? How would we future proof the content that would be sent out across the nation?

We have issues surrounding the funding and timeline for establishing such a network. We also have grave questions about the impact on our current broadcasting output in Scotland, particularly concerning BBC Scotland, the jobs there and Gaelic broadcasting.

I will get on to those issues in a moment. My colleague Alex Johnstone will talk in some detail about the boy side of it: the nuts and bolts, the heavy engineering and the pipes that will take all the content into people’s houses. Before that, I will come back on some of the points that the cabinet secretary raised.

When we talked about the problem with the take-up rate for digital broadcasting, particularly broadband and the infrastructure that is at the crux of the debate, the cabinet secretary suggested that there was a deficiency of content and that, if we improved content, we would improve the take-up rate. The problem with that argument is that, in Glasgow—my area and Patricia Ferguson’s—the take-up rate is low. That is nothing to do with how Scottish or Glaswegian the available content is, because Glasgow is best served of all the areas of Scotland by an identifiably Glaswegian and Scottish television output. It is where the major two networks are based. It is where the jobs are. It is where many of the dramas, such as “Lip Service” and “Taggart”, are based. People there see themselves represented on the screen, but we still see a low take-up rate.

I am not sure that content is the problem. The problem is that the digital network report and the cabinet secretary have conflated what is free and what is not. Glasgow has a low take-up rate because it has areas of great poverty. It has a low take-up rate because of the economics, not because of the programming and the output. The problem is that, although a digital network may be funded centrally, people would have to pay for the facility to have it in their homes. They would still pay for their broadband.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Tricia Marwick) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-00308, in the name of Fiona Hyslop, on Scottish broadcasting and the Scottish digital network. 14:55
The Cabinet Secretary for Culture and External Affairs (Fiona Hyslop) SNP
I welcome Patricia Ferguson and Ruth Davidson to their front-bench positions. I look forward to working with them and other MSPs to support culture in Scotla...
Ruth Davidson (Glasgow) (Con) Con
Does the minister agree that we have a problem with take-up in certain parts of the country, particularly in my part of Glasgow, which, despite having some o...
Fiona Hyslop SNP
I fully agree. Indeed, that point was made in the Government’s digital strategy, which we launched in March of this year. The member is absolutely right. We ...
Ruth Davidson Con
Is the cabinet secretary criticising the Scottish Government for consulting her when it does not need to? That sounds a little like what she is doing, which ...
Fiona Hyslop SNP
I am not criticising the Scottish Government because we are the Scottish Government.
Ruth Davidson Con
I meant the UK Government.
Fiona Hyslop SNP
We went proactively to the UK Government when it was making its local television proposals and said, “Look, the Scottish digital network could sit within tha...
Patricia Ferguson (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) Lab
I thank the minister for her good wishes. I hope that she will not mind my saying that it is good to see culture back at the Cabinet table. It has languished...
Fiona Hyslop SNP
That is a very important point. Our digital strategy, launched in March, set out that we want to see significant progress by 2015. We also have a commitment ...
Patricia Ferguson Lab
Given the publication of the strategy in March, I was going to ask the minister what steps had been taken thereafter to make it a reality, so that interventi...
Ruth Davidson (Glasgow) (Con) Con
I thank the cabinet secretary for her good wishes to me on taking up my new post as the culture spokesperson for the Conservatives. I also welcome the ascens...
Fiona Hyslop SNP
Ruth Davidson talks about future proofing and price. Surely a publicly funded Scottish digital network, with free access to all and available on television a...
Ruth Davidson Con
That is where the conflation and confusion are. We have always installed the strategic hardware centrally. That is fine, but if somebody uses their personal ...
Fiona Hyslop SNP
It is a very important point. I refer the member to the evidence that Blair Jenkins gave to the Education, Lifelong Learning and Culture Committee in the pre...
Ruth Davidson Con
I am glad of the reassurance that such a development would be by invitation. I worry about protecting a service for which members of the Parliament fought ha...
Clare Adamson (Central Scotland) (SNP) SNP
I am delighted to speak in the debate as we examine the plans for broadcasting in Scotland and the proposals to establish a Scottish digital network. In 200...
Patricia Ferguson Lab
I gently suggest to Clare Adamson that much of that has to do with editorial practices in programming situations. For example, if she casts her mind back to ...
Clare Adamson SNP
I agree that the broadcasting opportunities that a Scottish digital network would bring would allow far more of those kinds of events to be covered and to be...
Ruth Davidson Con
Does the member acknowledge that the amount of UK network programming that has been commissioned, executed and filmed in Scotland and which has been shown to...
Clare Adamson SNP
Of course I welcome that; indeed, the cabinet secretary has highlighted the progress that has been made in such areas. However, we still have some way to go....
James Kelly (Rutherglen) (Lab) Lab
I welcome the opportunity to take part in this afternoon’s debate, first and foremost because in my years as an MSP this is the first time I have spoken abou...
Fiona Hyslop SNP
I agree with all the comments that the member has made, but it is important to accentuate the fact that the Scottish digital network is not just about progra...
James Kelly Lab
I agree that it is not purely about TV programming. There are important technological opportunities, which I will come to later in my speech. As well as publ...
Joan McAlpine (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP
I draw members’ attention to my entry in the register of members’ interests, which shows that I have a background in the media, that I receive continuing rem...
Ruth Davidson Con
Is the member suggesting that, for example, “Lip Service”, a network programme shown on BBC 3 and set in Glasgow, featuring a bunch of Glaswegian lesbians, w...
Joan McAlpine SNP
I have not seen the show, but I have heard that it is an excellent piece of programming. I certainly would not include it in my comments, but we have made sh...
Ruth Davidson Con
In the lead-up to last year’s general election there were a number of Scottish debates, which involved the Secretary of State for Scotland, the shadow Scotti...
Joan McAlpine SNP
That is wrong: we were excluded from those debates. I could say a great deal about those debates, which completely ignored Scotland and in which we were not ...
Helen Eadie (Cowdenbeath) (Lab) Lab
Like the minister and many others who have spoken in the chamber today, I welcome the huge improvements that have been made to Scotland’s digital infrastruct...