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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 16 June 2015

16 Jun 2015 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Harbours (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

I think that if the member looks, Margaret Thatcher is still with us today—but he is absolutely right.

The compulsory privatisation powers under the 1991 act have not been used since devolution.

There are different kinds of ports—private ports, trust ports and local authority ports—but they all operate on a commercial basis and receive almost no public funding. Some of our ports are funded by local authorities. Sullom Voe is one example. The model has the flexibility to allow benefits to flow—in that example, to the good people of Shetland.

Aberdeen Harbour’s classification as a public corporation has been mentioned. Its reclassification to trust status potentially gives the harbour and the Scottish Government the flexibility to borrow and invest in a cost-efficient manner. The transfer obviously provides best value for the community, the taxpayer and the people of Aberdeen.

Private ports, of course, also have a contribution to make. As the Presiding Officer will know, Ayr and Troon harbours are part of the British Ports Association, and they are very important. Scotland will grow its export market significantly in the years to come, so our port authorities must be secure and flexible, and they must assist as best they can under the new transfer of powers to achieve that significant goal, which will bring investment, jobs and a better standard of living to Scotland.

The tourism trade, about which I will speak in the next debate, is very important, as are the fishing industry and the marine sports industry, for which the marina at Largs caters. The offshore wind market has given many ports a lifeline. It secures employment on not just the operational side but the maintenance side.

The bill will give Scotland the flexibility to grow its ports and harbours in a disciplined fashion. It will improve the legal framework for trust ports by negating the need for privatisation as a result of ONS reclassification, which would jeopardise their future status and, as the minister said, Government budgets.

It is right that protection is afforded to trust ports and that intervention will be possible to secure the transfer of rights and liabilities, subject to Government advice. All the things that the bill will do are very important. The British Ports Association says that it

“very much welcomes the proposals in as much as they will remove uncertainty for those ports above the privatisation threshold. It also confirms support for the Trust Port model as a vital part of the ownership mix in Scotland.”

15:21  

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Tricia Marwick) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-13511, in the name of Derek Mackay, on stage 1 of the Harbours (Scotland) Bill. I will give everyone a fe...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
If you are all sitting comfortably, we will begin. 14:51
The Minister for Transport and Islands (Derek Mackay) SNP
I am pleased to open the debate on the Harbours (Scotland) Bill. I thank those who submitted evidence, and the convener and members of the Infrastructure and...
Jim Eadie (Edinburgh Southern) (SNP) SNP
I am grateful for the opportunity to speak on behalf of the Infrastructure and Capital Investment Committee, which was the lead committee in the scrutiny of ...
Jim Eadie SNP
Moving on to the key issues, the committee welcomes the aims of the bill, which the Scottish Government states are “to provide an improved legislative frame...
Mary Fee (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I confirm that Scottish Labour will support the Government throughout the passage of the Harbours (Scotland) Bill, and I am happy to work with the minister i...
Alex Johnstone (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
It gives me great pleasure to stand up time and again in the chamber to accuse the Government of being the most centralising and authoritarian Government tha...
Chic Brodie (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP
I welcome the opportunity to support the bill’s principles. Harbours and ports are indeed the pores through which part of Scotland’s economy breathes. More i...
Alex Johnstone Con
My memory of history is that Margaret Thatcher was long gone by 1991.
Chic Brodie SNP
I think that if the member looks, Margaret Thatcher is still with us today—but he is absolutely right. The compulsory privatisation powers under the 1991 ac...
Margaret McDougall (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I would like to start by outlining the theory behind the Harbours (Scotland) Bill, which is a concise and necessary piece of legislation. The main purpose o...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
We come to closing speeches. I call Alex Johnstone to wind up on behalf of the Conservatives. You have four minutes or thereby, Mr Johnstone. 15:25
Alex Johnstone Con
I assure you, Deputy Presiding Officer, that this will be a short speech, because there is not much left to say on the bill. It has been an interesting deba...
David Stewart (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
Is Alex Johnstone aware that the same problem occurs in other sectors that are the Scottish Government’s responsibility, including the college sector? Many c...
Alex Johnstone Con
There are some areas of the Government’s responsibility in which, I am sure, that is an advantage rather than a disadvantage, but in this case it is very imp...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
I call David Stewart. You have six minutes or thereby, Mr Stewart. 15:28
David Stewart (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
You are very kind, Presiding Officer. Thank you for your generous allocation of time. This has been a short, sharp debate on what is, as we have all heard, ...
Alex Johnstone Con
Does David Stewart care to remember the opportunity that he had to take the wheel of the pilot boat and run up and down the various docks in Aberdeen—at grea...
David Stewart Lab
I am glad that Alex Johnstone raised that point: I am sure that I broke several local byelaws. He will know that I was piloting the boat to look for floating...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith) Lab
Mr Stewart—I can give you the time back for the intervention that you took.
David Stewart Lab
Thank you. Laughter. You are very kind, Presiding Officer. I really appreciate that extra time. I have visited several trust ports including those in Aberde...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
I call Derek Mackay to wind up the debate. Minister—you have eight minutes or so. 15:34
Derek Mackay SNP
Thank you very much, Presiding Officer. Your generosity knows no bounds. I thought that it was particularly gracious to give David Stewart time back for the ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
There is also time for interventions if you wish, minister.
Derek Mackay SNP
Thank you very much for that guidance, Presiding Officer. We have been able to showcase how Parliament can work together using the functions in its committe...
David Stewart Lab
Will the minister give way?
Derek Mackay SNP
I certainly will.
David Stewart Lab
How confident is the minister that the ONS will change its classification once the bill becomes law?
Derek Mackay SNP
Having considered the advice that we have been given on the reason for potential classification, I am fairly confident that our clarification through the bil...
Alex Johnstone Con
I must intervene because I have always been the first in the chamber to make it clear that the concept of public service is not unique to the public sector; ...