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Meeting of the Parliament 25 June 2015

25 Jun 2015 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Air Weapons and Licensing (Scotland) Bill

In April, we debated and agreed the general principles of the Air Weapons and Licensing (Scotland) Bill, and today we debate the bill in the form in which we hope it will be enacted. Although there is no formal role for me in this debate, as convener of the Local Government and Regeneration Committee I would like to share the work of the committee and its effectiveness in realising change.

As I pointed out at stage 1, licensing has an important role. It is integral to preserving public order and safety, reducing crime and advancing public health. A key aim of the bill is to improve the efficiency of the licensing regimes, contributing to the creation of a better regulatory environment for business. The bill is wide ranging and covers the creation of new licensing systems in Scotland for the use of air weapons and the operation of sexual entertainment venues. The bill also amends existing licensing systems on alcohol sales, scrap metal dealers, taxis and private car hires, and public entertainment venues. The importance of those regimes and the objectives that they seek to reinforce should not be underplayed.

Our level of engagement with key stakeholders allowed us to make meaningful changes to the bill that will improve the effectiveness of the provisions. For example, the bill now enables the sale of air weapons to customers in the rest of Great Britain; requires alcohol licensing boards to publish annual reports outlining how they have contributed to the licensing objectives; empowers licensing authorities to deal with issues connected to advertising of sexual entertainment venues; updates the definition of metal dealers so as to include those who do not buy metal but sell it; more clearly defines the forms of payment to metal dealers; and provides the legislative framework for the creation of a national database of metal dealers.

The work of the committee has led to major change in the bill from stage 1, and the vast bulk of that work has been pretty co-operative. We have seen where there has been division and mistake because of misunderstandings. I was disappointed that a committee member was briefing against colleagues in the press, and I will be interested to see how some colleagues have voted on certain amendments, particularly amendment 19.

I thank the cabinet secretary for being extremely co-operative as we have tried to get the bill absolutely right. As I said, we have made great moves towards getting it right. I will give one example: the penalties for metal theft. The committee believed that the original proposals on that were far too lenient, but now we have a fine of up to £20,000 and/or up to six months in prison. We have reached that conclusion because of the work of the committee.

The bill now strikes the right balance. It allows businesses and ordinary folk to go about their lives while seeking to prevent or reduce the harm that is caused by people who seek to avoid regulation or to carry out criminal acts. The bill is proportionate to the issues that it tackles, which is why I will vote in favour of it at decision time.

16:31  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-13606, in the name of Michael Matheson, on the Air Weapons and Licensing (Scotland) Bill. 16:03
The Cabinet Secretary for Justice (Michael Matheson) SNP
I am pleased to open the stage 3 debate on the Air Weapons and Licensing (Scotland) Bill. For the purposes of rule 9.11 of standing orders, I advise the Parl...
Alex Fergusson (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con) Con
I appreciate the cabinet secretary verifying that the principal purpose is to reduce crime involving air weapons, but can he tell me what evidential back-up ...
Michael Matheson SNP
The member is correct to say that gun crime is at an almost record low. However, within the category of gun crime, almost half of all the offences involve ai...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
Before I call Cara Hilton, I inform members that, to allow everyone to speak in the debate, I have determined that decision time will take place at 10 past f...
Cara Hilton (Dunfermline) (Lab) Lab
I echo the cabinet secretary’s comments and thank all who were involved in devoting time and energy to supporting us in our scrutiny of the Air Weapons and L...
Michael Matheson SNP
Does Cara Hilton understand the point that I made about her amendment and the Government’s amendment in relation to under-18s having access to sexual enterta...
Cara Hilton Lab
That is one interpretation, but I am not convinced by those arguments. I lodged the same amendment at stage 2 and I did not hear those arguments then; this i...
Kevin Stewart (Aberdeen Central) (SNP) SNP
Oh.
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
Order.
Cara Hilton Lab
I have lost my place now. I am pleased that the Scottish Government introduced positive amendments that will improve notification procedures and require lo...
Alex Fergusson (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con) Con
In opening the debate for the Scottish Conservatives, I am sorry to say that I find myself every bit as perplexed about the bill now as I was at stage 1. The...
Kevin Stewart (Aberdeen Central) (SNP) SNP
In April, we debated and agreed the general principles of the Air Weapons and Licensing (Scotland) Bill, and today we debate the bill in the form in which we...
Elaine Murray (Dumfriesshire) (Lab) Lab
The intention of people who support the bill has never been to ban air weapons; it has been to regulate them. Air weapons can and, sadly, do kill. It is wron...
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD
I join others in thanking Kevin Stewart’s committee and committee witnesses for their work on what is, by common consent, a wide-ranging and complex bill. Ca...
Sandra White (Glasgow Kelvin) (SNP) SNP
The bill is an important one that deals with metal theft, air weapon licensing, alcohol licensing and, of course, sexual entertainment venues. I will limit m...
Malcolm Chisholm (Edinburgh Northern and Leith) (Lab) Lab
I welcome many of the changes that the bill will bring about, although I think that there will, in due course, need to be a more fundamental revision of the ...
Kevin Stewart SNP
Will Malcolm Chisholm give way?
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
The member is in his last minute.
Malcolm Chisholm Lab
If Cara Hilton’s amendment had dealt with a new issue, we would not be able to complain. However, it dealt with an issue on which she had lodged an amendment...
John Wilson (Central Scotland) (SNP) Ind
I want to take this opportunity to welcome the discussion and debate on what are clearly important issues for Scotland. The health and security of everyone i...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
We will now have closing speeches. 16:51
Cameron Buchanan (Lothian) (Con) Con
The Air Weapons and Licensing (Scotland) Bill has drawn out areas of both consensus and contention, as today’s debate has shown. As I have commented before, ...
Kevin Stewart SNP
Will the member give way?
Cameron Buchanan Con
Certainly.
Kevin Stewart SNP
I thank Mr Buchanan for giving way. We recognise that there is a small minority of abusers of air weapons. However, the use of those weapons by abusers has l...
Cameron Buchanan Con
What evidence do we have that a licensing regime will prevent deaths? I cannot see it. I do not think it will make any difference; I think that those people ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
Mr Buchanan, carry on.
Cameron Buchanan Con
The misuse of air weapons is confined to a tiny minority of users, as recently published statistics on recorded crimes in Scotland involving firearms for 201...
Colin Keir (Edinburgh Western) (SNP) SNP
Will the member give way?