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Meeting of the Parliament 27 May 2015

27 May 2015 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Assisted Suicide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
MacKenzie, Mike SNP Highlands and Islands Watch on SPTV

I thank all those organisations that sent briefings indicating their concerns about the bill. I especially thank all the many constituents who wrote to me, including those on both sides of the issue: those who are keen to see the bill passed and those who are not. I very much respect both viewpoints, and the fact that assisted suicide is a difficult issue for everyone, and for all of us here in the chamber this afternoon.

My principal argument this afternoon is that we owe it to all the people who have written to us, including those who are concerned about the issue and those who may fall under the scope of the legislation—indeed, we owe it to everyone—to scrutinise and debate the issue properly. In order to do that, we need to take the bill all the way through the parliamentary process.

We owe it to all those people to vote yes today, so that we may do full and proper justice to this most difficult of issues, and so that, whatever the outcome is, we can all look our constituents in the eye and explain to them exactly why we voted as we did.

I also thank my colleagues on the Health and Sport Committee, who provided an excellent service on behalf of the Parliament and of the public in shedding light on the issues that are causing most concern in relation to the bill. I hope that during the committee’s discussions I was able to articulate my position adequately, which is that if we have it within our means to relieve suffering, we should do so. That is my default position.

I acknowledge the arguments that have been made against the bill. There are concerns that the bill may result in the lowering of the standard and the availability of palliative care. I would argue the opposite. Perhaps it will give an added impetus to palliative care, especially from those who do not believe in the principle of assisted suicide. If the bill is passed, they will have the opportunity to persuade anyone contemplating assisted suicide against that, and to provide them with palliative care.

The bill does not call for psychiatric assessment to be automatic but neither does it rule it out and that option will be available if it is felt to be necessary in the opinion of either of the two doctors who have to sign off the request for assisted suicide. We either trust our doctors or we do not. I trust them.

There are those who criticise the bill because it is not specific enough—because it is vague or uncertain in some areas. I think that that is a strength rather than a weakness. Our criminal law is comprehensive, complex and sometimes confusing. Few of us are experts in criminal law and yet ignorance of the law is no excuse. It behoves us, therefore, to stay well on the right side of the law, as the vast majority of us do. That moral hazard is necessary. That uncertainty will ensure that anyone participating in the process of assisted suicide will stay well on the right side of the law.

Perhaps the issue that concerns me most is the possibility of coercion. It seems that some people take a dim and dark view of their fellow citizens. I am afraid that I do not share that view. I think that, in the main, we are good and we are moral. Nevertheless, I do not accept that it is beyond our intelligence, our wit and our wisdom in this chamber to provide safeguards against coercion and against a number of other criticisms that have been made about the bill.

It is beyond dispute that there is avoidable suffering across Scotland. Palliative care is not always effective and it is not nearly as widely available as it ought to be. Suffering can only be understood and defined by those who are suffering, not by those who are not.

We pass many bills in this chamber that are subject to considerable amendment. I am sure that this bill can be amended in ways that will deal with most, if not all, of the concerns.

We may not be able to reassure everyone that the bill is fit to pass into law, but to my mind, we owe it to everyone—we owe it to all those who are suffering or who face the prospect of suffering and we owe it to Margo MacDonald, whom we held in high esteem as a person of integrity, common sense and wisdom—to give it our best effort, and that means voting yes this afternoon.

15:33  

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Tricia Marwick) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-13258, in the name of Patrick Harvie, on stage 1 of the Assisted Suicide (Scotland) Bill. I will try to c...
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green) Green
I express my gratitude for the opportunity to bring the bill to the stage that it has reached today. In doing so, I thank the Health and Sport Committee, the...
The Presiding Officer NPA
I call Bob Doris to speak on behalf of the Health and Sport Committee. Mr Doris, you have around 11 minutes. 14:56
Bob Doris (Glasgow) (SNP) SNP
My role as deputy convener of the Health and Sport Committee in this afternoon’s debate is to present to the chamber the committee’s findings and its recomme...
Patrick Harvie Green
I did not agree with everything that Dr Hutchison said in evidence, but I did agree very strongly with the point that Bob Doris cites—that human beings are r...
Bob Doris SNP
I thank the member in charge of the bill for that intervention. I am sure that Mr Harvie will realise that I am restricted in what I can say because I am spe...
The Presiding Officer NPA
We now move to the open debate. I will first call Shona Robison, to be followed by Christian Allard. I ask for five-minute speeches throughout the open debat...
The Cabinet Secretary for Health, Wellbeing and Sport (Shona Robison) SNP
As other members have done, I recognise the work of the late Margo MacDonald to ensure that the issues in the bill have been presented to Parliament. I also ...
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
One of the clearest points to come out of the process is that end-of-life care is not good. I do not say that in any partisan way. It should concentrate all ...
Shona Robison SNP
As I acknowledged, a lot of work is under way to improve palliative and end-of-life care. In a moment, I will say more about the framework that is being deve...
Christian Allard (North East Scotland) (SNP) SNP
I thank all the people who contacted all the members of the Parliament. I got my good share of post and emails from both sides of the argument. I hope that I...
Mary Fee (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I speak in support of the Assisted Suicide (Scotland) Bill. I welcome and respect that the debate will invoke passion, reason and arguments based on ethics, ...
Nanette Milne (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
I say at the outset that I will not support the bill. Five years ago, I voted against Margo MacDonald’s End of Life Assistance (Scotland) Bill, having been a...
Mike MacKenzie (Highlands and Islands) (SNP) SNP
I thank all those organisations that sent briefings indicating their concerns about the bill. I especially thank all the many constituents who wrote to me, i...
Rhoda Grant (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
I add my thanks to those of other members who have already spoken. This is an emotive debate and people will be passionate about the view, either for or agai...
Patrick Harvie Green
The member suggests, as others have, that in passing the bill we would in some way undermine efforts to reduce suicide in the wider population. Is she able t...
Rhoda Grant Lab
If, on the one hand, we see suicide as a bad thing and as something to be prevented but, on the other, single out a proportion of society for whom it is a go...
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD
Shortly after first being elected in 2007, I sat in the chamber listening to a members’ business debate that was led by my former colleague Jeremy Purvis. He...
Dave Thompson (Skye, Lochaber and Badenoch) (SNP) SNP
I welcome the opportunity to take part in today’s debate and I thank all those within and outwith Parliament who have been and are involved in it. To put my...
Patrick Harvie Green
As I acknowledged in my opening remarks, I accept that such circumstances as Dave Thompson describes take place. The question for us is not whether they shou...
Dave Thompson SNP
I do not accept the premise of that point. The cabinet secretary mentioned that that legal point has not been accepted. As the Health and Sport Committee he...
Graeme Dey (Angus South) (SNP) SNP
Until a few days ago, I was very much undecided about how I would vote come decision time tonight. To be honest, I am still not 100 per cent there yet, altho...
Michael McMahon (Uddingston and Bellshill) (Lab) Lab
Presiding Officer, “Legalising assisted suicide is a slippery slope toward widespread killing of the sick”. Those are not my words, nor are they the words ...
Jackson Carlaw (West Scotland) (Con) Con
As a co-sponsor of the Assisted Suicide (Scotland) Bill, I have to say that I have wrestled with the content of anything that I might say in its support this...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
Thank you for the opportunity to speak, Presiding Officer. It is clear that the subject divides opinion, and I think that most of us can accept that there a...
Patrick Harvie Green
Is the member asserting that that increase has coincided with the introduction or the uptake of legislation on assisted suicide? Having looked at the figures...
John Mason SNP
My general argument is that the issue is very difficult. If we are changing the atmosphere on suicide and moving from a position where suicide is always regr...
John Finnie (Highlands and Islands) (Ind) Ind
Will the member take an intervention?
John Mason SNP
No, not at this stage. The Finance Committee did not spend much time on the financial memorandum. I wonder whether we should have looked into that angle in ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith) Lab
As a general point, I ask members to try to keep to their five minutes. We would not want any members not to get the opportunity to speak. 16:09