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Meeting of the Parliament 27 May 2015

27 May 2015 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Assisted Suicide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

I speak in support of the Assisted Suicide (Scotland) Bill. I welcome and respect that the debate will invoke passion, reason and arguments based on ethics, morality and religion.

When talking about death, we must remember that each person treats death differently through a wide range of emotions and feelings such as, but not limited to, fear, reluctance and, importantly, acceptance. To be diagnosed with a life-changing illness leads one to accept that death is not a choice, but a reality, and how one faces death can make a difference.

Even with the greatest palliative care, an illness can still make life insufferable for some. Legislating for assisted suicide is a matter of not only choice and dignity for those wishing to use the powers, but equality.

Exercising the power to ask a doctor for the option to seek assistance to end suffering, where medicine and care cannot, places an enormous level of trust with the practitioner and would give the recipient control of their own destiny.

The level of and access to care will always be paramount to easing pain while medical advances are researched, and that should not suffer as a result of legislating for assisted suicide. There is no evidence to suggest that allowing assisted suicide would be a detriment to access to palliative care.

I support Patrick Harvie’s point in his response to the stage 1 report that he is

“open to proposals to amend the Bill”

and will work with

“those which seek to strengthen it or to improve definitions without being too prescriptive.”

With that in mind, the only way to have that further input is to agree to the bill at stage 1. The principles of and motive for the bill are clear, yet there is always room for improvement with any proposed legislation.

I move on to the specifics of the bill. Part 1 would remove the possibility of a person facing charges of criminality after assisting in the compassionate suicide of another. It is important to understand the distinction between assisted suicide and euthanasia. There are massive differences between what is proposed and euthanasia, so for anyone to equate the two, as has happened throughout the wider discussion and consultation, is an unfair disservice to those who are suffering and who wish to end their life.

I note, however, that the Health and Sport Committee report showed that further clarification of the difference is needed, because of what Stephen McGowan from the Crown Office called a fine line. I hope that we can take the bill to stage 2 so that we can further distinguish the terms “assisted suicide” and “euthanasia”.

Part 2 deals with safeguards, which is where members have the greatest reservations. For some, there can be no assurances that the safeguards are as strong as they would like, which is why it is important that the debate continues. The criteria for considering assisted suicide are pertinent to the proposed safeguards. I have read in communication from constituents that they are worried that children might be exposed to assisted suicide. That is contradictory to what the bill sets out to secure, which is a right for adults who are over 16 years of age with a diagnosis of an illness or progressive condition that is terminal or life-limiting and which will reduce life quality, without any sign of improvement. I believe that the bill contains comprehensive measures to protect those who wish assisted suicide as well as the facilitators, the witnesses, the practitioners and the families.

Many of us who have lost a loved one will have witnessed them suffer pain and endure agonies that we would not wish on anyone. The bill is really about allowing dying people the dignity of choosing for themselves. I hope that we can continue the debate by agreeing to the principles of the bill.

15:22  

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Tricia Marwick) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-13258, in the name of Patrick Harvie, on stage 1 of the Assisted Suicide (Scotland) Bill. I will try to c...
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green) Green
I express my gratitude for the opportunity to bring the bill to the stage that it has reached today. In doing so, I thank the Health and Sport Committee, the...
The Presiding Officer NPA
I call Bob Doris to speak on behalf of the Health and Sport Committee. Mr Doris, you have around 11 minutes. 14:56
Bob Doris (Glasgow) (SNP) SNP
My role as deputy convener of the Health and Sport Committee in this afternoon’s debate is to present to the chamber the committee’s findings and its recomme...
Patrick Harvie Green
I did not agree with everything that Dr Hutchison said in evidence, but I did agree very strongly with the point that Bob Doris cites—that human beings are r...
Bob Doris SNP
I thank the member in charge of the bill for that intervention. I am sure that Mr Harvie will realise that I am restricted in what I can say because I am spe...
The Presiding Officer NPA
We now move to the open debate. I will first call Shona Robison, to be followed by Christian Allard. I ask for five-minute speeches throughout the open debat...
The Cabinet Secretary for Health, Wellbeing and Sport (Shona Robison) SNP
As other members have done, I recognise the work of the late Margo MacDonald to ensure that the issues in the bill have been presented to Parliament. I also ...
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
One of the clearest points to come out of the process is that end-of-life care is not good. I do not say that in any partisan way. It should concentrate all ...
Shona Robison SNP
As I acknowledged, a lot of work is under way to improve palliative and end-of-life care. In a moment, I will say more about the framework that is being deve...
Christian Allard (North East Scotland) (SNP) SNP
I thank all the people who contacted all the members of the Parliament. I got my good share of post and emails from both sides of the argument. I hope that I...
Mary Fee (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I speak in support of the Assisted Suicide (Scotland) Bill. I welcome and respect that the debate will invoke passion, reason and arguments based on ethics, ...
Nanette Milne (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
I say at the outset that I will not support the bill. Five years ago, I voted against Margo MacDonald’s End of Life Assistance (Scotland) Bill, having been a...
Mike MacKenzie (Highlands and Islands) (SNP) SNP
I thank all those organisations that sent briefings indicating their concerns about the bill. I especially thank all the many constituents who wrote to me, i...
Rhoda Grant (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
I add my thanks to those of other members who have already spoken. This is an emotive debate and people will be passionate about the view, either for or agai...
Patrick Harvie Green
The member suggests, as others have, that in passing the bill we would in some way undermine efforts to reduce suicide in the wider population. Is she able t...
Rhoda Grant Lab
If, on the one hand, we see suicide as a bad thing and as something to be prevented but, on the other, single out a proportion of society for whom it is a go...
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD
Shortly after first being elected in 2007, I sat in the chamber listening to a members’ business debate that was led by my former colleague Jeremy Purvis. He...
Dave Thompson (Skye, Lochaber and Badenoch) (SNP) SNP
I welcome the opportunity to take part in today’s debate and I thank all those within and outwith Parliament who have been and are involved in it. To put my...
Patrick Harvie Green
As I acknowledged in my opening remarks, I accept that such circumstances as Dave Thompson describes take place. The question for us is not whether they shou...
Dave Thompson SNP
I do not accept the premise of that point. The cabinet secretary mentioned that that legal point has not been accepted. As the Health and Sport Committee he...
Graeme Dey (Angus South) (SNP) SNP
Until a few days ago, I was very much undecided about how I would vote come decision time tonight. To be honest, I am still not 100 per cent there yet, altho...
Michael McMahon (Uddingston and Bellshill) (Lab) Lab
Presiding Officer, “Legalising assisted suicide is a slippery slope toward widespread killing of the sick”. Those are not my words, nor are they the words ...
Jackson Carlaw (West Scotland) (Con) Con
As a co-sponsor of the Assisted Suicide (Scotland) Bill, I have to say that I have wrestled with the content of anything that I might say in its support this...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
Thank you for the opportunity to speak, Presiding Officer. It is clear that the subject divides opinion, and I think that most of us can accept that there a...
Patrick Harvie Green
Is the member asserting that that increase has coincided with the introduction or the uptake of legislation on assisted suicide? Having looked at the figures...
John Mason SNP
My general argument is that the issue is very difficult. If we are changing the atmosphere on suicide and moving from a position where suicide is always regr...
John Finnie (Highlands and Islands) (Ind) Ind
Will the member take an intervention?
John Mason SNP
No, not at this stage. The Finance Committee did not spend much time on the financial memorandum. I wonder whether we should have looked into that angle in ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith) Lab
As a general point, I ask members to try to keep to their five minutes. We would not want any members not to get the opportunity to speak. 16:09