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Meeting of the Parliament 15 January 2015

15 Jan 2015 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Emergency Services
Ferguson, Patricia Lab Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn Watch on SPTV

It is probably true to say that no one expects to need the emergency services—we all imagine that it is only others who will need them—but that we feel safer knowing that they are there and ready to bring their considerable expertise and skill to our aid if needed.

When something goes wrong, the police, ambulance service or fire and rescue services are our first port of call. My colleagues across the chamber have spoken about recent tragedies and disasters and the magnificent response of those services. In recent years we have, unfortunately, been only too aware of their worth and value to us.

I want to speak from my own experience of two events that demonstrate the expertise and commitment of the emergency services and explain why I hold them in such high regard.

The first event took place many years ago when I was a teenager, so I will not mention the year. I was awoken by my parents in the middle of the night. At the time, we lived on the 21st floor of a 30-storey block on the Red Road in Glasgow. Fire had broken out on the 23rd floor, two floors above us.

My family was physically unscathed, although we were never to return to live in that home; but, tragically, one 12-year-old boy lost his life. We and our neighbours did what one does in such an incident—we ran down the fire escape to make our way to safety, as smoke from the fire and water from the sprinkler system began to penetrate the building. It was quite a frightening situation.

I mention the event because it occurred to me then, and has stayed with me ever since, that as we were running down and out of the building, the firefighters were running in and up to the source of the fire. They did not know what to expect when they eventually got to the 23rd storey, but it was their job and they would deal with it.

In 2004, a major explosion at a factory in my Maryhill constituency demolished a building, killing nine people and injuring many more. My colleagues Hugh Henry and Hanzala Malik have referred to that Stockline incident.

The initial explosion took place on a Tuesday, but it took until the Friday of that week to recover the last body. With that, the last hope of finding anyone alive was extinguished. For four days and four nights, the fire and rescue services worked in quite dreadful conditions. It was an unseasonably hot May; there was dust and rubble everywhere; and the building was still unstable. I was on the site with the chief fire officer when the last body was found, and I remember well the feeling of what I can describe only as utter despair that hit everyone.

When, a little later that day, my Westminster colleague Ann McKechin and I returned to the site to thank the staff who had worked so tirelessly throughout the week, we were completely taken aback to find that a number of the firefighters who had been involved most closely in the search of the building were very anxious, upset and quite desperate—that is the only word to describe it—to know whether people understood that they had tried their very best. I have to say that no one had ever doubted that, not even for a minute, but the fact is that they are human beings and we must never forget that.

Around the city, hospitals and NHS staff treated the injured, and police officers comforted and supported the families involved. Help was offered and came from around the country; Royal Air Force helicopters ferried the most seriously injured to hospital, and fire and rescue forces from as far afield as Leicestershire brought sniffer dogs and equipment, as did mountain rescue teams from Kirkby Stephen in Cumbria and the Trossachs.

As I have indicated, our emergency services are second to none, but the way in which local people and passers-by rally around is also inspiring. During and indeed after the Stockline tragedy, the normally busy and bustling Maryhill Road was, for a time, completely silent. Local shops and supermarkets donated food and other items to the families who waited for news of their loved ones and to the rescue service personnel. As Hanzala Malik said, the local community hall remained open as a base for the families; indeed, some staff who turned up for work on Tuesday morning did not go home until late on the Friday night as they supported and cared for people who were going through what was the worst experience of their lives. It is therefore important that we remember those who step forward from their daily lives and return to them again with little or no recognition.

It is clear that across this chamber we have nothing but respect and admiration for those whose job often exposes them to danger or to experiences that must haunt them for years afterwards. However, it is not enough to respect and admire them; we must also support them and give them the resources that they need. That is why the Labour amendment calls for an inquiry into the resilience of the services. We need to hear at first hand their views and their ideas if we are to give them that support.

As Hugh Henry has pointed out, Stockline happened because of neglect and the failure to properly maintain one small pipe, but we found that out only at the outcome of the inquiry that was four years after the disaster. We owe bereaved families the opportunity to find out as quickly as is technically possible why such incidents happen and we owe it to the emergency services to understand those reasons, to take action to ensure that such incidents do not happen again and to ensure that we are not asking the people in those services to risk their lives anew. That is why I am pursuing a bill to reform the fatal accident inquiry in Scotland, and I hope that the Scottish Government and colleagues across the chamber will agree not only to the proposal in my bill but to the inquiry that Labour seeks.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Tricia Marwick) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-12060, in the name of Michael Matheson, on commending the people who keep Scotland safe in emergencies. ...
The Cabinet Secretary for Justice (Michael Matheson) SNP
I am grateful for the opportunity to recognise the excellent work that is undertaken by the emergency services across Scotland. Our emergency services are i...
Gil Paterson (Clydebank and Milngavie) (SNP) SNP
I am sure that the cabinet secretary is aware of the traumatic and tragic incident at Clydebank police station last week. Does he agree that people in the em...
Michael Matheson SNP
I am aware of the terrible incident at Clydebank police station last week. Of course, the emergency services responded in an exemplary way to deal with that ...
Hugh Henry (Renfrewshire South) (Lab) Lab
There are some things in life that we have come to take for granted. Thanks to the struggles of previous generations, we take for granted the right to an edu...
Jackson Carlaw (West Scotland) (Con) Con
I endorse everything that the cabinet secretary—and Mr Henry—said on the scope, scale and range of services in which we have such confidence and pride. The e...
Mike MacKenzie (Highlands and Islands) (SNP) SNP
I am pleased to speak in the debate and I will focus on voluntary emergency services. That is partly because, for many years, I was a volunteer firefighter, ...
Elaine Murray (Dumfriesshire) (Lab) Lab
At the time when this debate was scheduled, none of us could have foreseen the dreadful events that were to unfold in Paris at the end of last week. They dem...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
I call Christine Grahame. Speeches can be six minutes or thereby—we have a little time in hand. 15:16
Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP) SNP
In this relatively consensual debate, I regret that I must take Hugh Henry to task for the Labour amendment, which asks the Parliament to agree “that the Ju...
Alison McInnes (North East Scotland) (LD) LD
I gladly join members across the chamber in commending all those who work in many different ways to keep us safe. My Liberal Democrat colleagues and I are i...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
I alert members to the fact that there is a little time in hand for interventions—even anecdotes. 15:27
Roderick Campbell (North East Fife) (SNP) SNP
Although I do not represent Glasgow, like most people in Scotland I cannot fail to note how that city, its people and its emergency services have responded t...
Hanzala Malik (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
I want to thank not only the blue-light services but all uniformed services for their contribution in providing emergency support and a 24/7 service across t...
Colin Beattie (Midlothian North and Musselburgh) (SNP) SNP
I am pleased to have the opportunity to comment on and to commend the people who keep Scotland safe in emergencies. We have had many recent examples of catas...
Graeme Dey (Angus South) (SNP) SNP
There are very obvious recipients of the praise in the motion, and we have already heard them being referenced across the chamber. I echo much of what has be...
Patricia Ferguson (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (Lab) Lab
It is probably true to say that no one expects to need the emergency services—we all imagine that it is only others who will need them—but that we feel safer...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
I call Rob Gibson, to be followed by Stewart Maxwell. You may have a generous six minutes, Mr Gibson. 15:59
Rob Gibson (Caithness, Sutherland and Ross) (SNP) SNP
Although I join colleagues in praising the work of the emergency services, I want to take a slightly different view, particularly on the way in which we cope...
Mike MacKenzie SNP
The Presiding Officer said that there was some time in hand so I thought that I would describe a situation that illustrates Mr Gibson’s point. During the fes...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith) Lab
Thank you. I am not sure how Mr Gibson feels about another speech within his speech. We do have some time in hand and I can reimburse him.
Rob Gibson SNP
Thank you very much. It was an interesting illustration of the fact that people in urban areas do not really understand what it is like to live in far-flung ...
Stewart Maxwell (West Scotland) (SNP) SNP
I very much welcome the opportunity to speak in the debate and to acknowledge the emergency services staff who work tirelessly on our behalf. I know that we ...
Paul Martin (Glasgow Provan) (Lab) Lab
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The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
Our final speaker in the open debate, before we come to the closing speeches, is Willie Coffey. 16:22
Willie Coffey (Kilmarnock and Irvine Valley) (SNP) SNP
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The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
That brings us to closing speeches. I remind members that if they have participated in the debate they should be back in the chamber for closing speeches. 1...
Jamie McGrigor (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
I am pleased to close today’s debate, which has been useful and largely consensual, as befits the subject. As Jackson Carlaw said, the Scottish Conservatives...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
Before we move on, I note that a couple of members were missing at the start of the closing speeches. The chamber has received the courtesy of an explanation...
Dr Richard Simpson (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
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