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Meeting of the Parliament 25 June 2015

25 Jun 2015 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Air Weapons and Licensing (Scotland) Bill
Wilson, John Ind Central Scotland Watch on SPTV

I want to take this opportunity to welcome the discussion and debate on what are clearly important issues for Scotland. The health and security of everyone in Scotland are of the utmost concern, and this bill has created important discussion around those issues.

I put on record my welcome of the cabinet secretary’s willingness to listen to and act on the discussions that took place in the committee and elsewhere, particularly at stage 2, and to accept the issues that were being raised by external organisations.

I put on record my thanks to the many organisations that came and gave evidence to the committee, and to the individuals who responded to the call for evidence. Without that evidence, some of the issues that have been discussed today might not have been discussed, as they might have been lost in the debate.

The bill covers a number of areas, as members have said: air weapons; alcohol licensing; taxis and private hire cars; metal dealers; the licensing of public entertainment venues; and the licensing of sexual entertainment venues. Some of the issues that were debated at stage 1 and stage 2 have been lost today, because they were dealt with in a consensual manner. For example, issues around the licensing of public entertainment venues were accepted and adopted by all concerned, because there was confusion about how sexual entertainment venues licensing might impact on public entertainment venues.

With regard to metal dealers, we heard evidence in committee about the cost of metal theft in Scotland. One witness indicated in written evidence that the cost of metal theft in Scotland could be up to £40 million. I am glad that the fines have been increased to take account of the issues that have been raised because, clearly, we have not been targeting those who are seriously involved in metal theft. It is hoped that the fines will help to deter some of those characters, and to safeguard the infrastructure of communities in Scotland.

There are issues about the interpretation of air weapons licensing. I have had a number of representations from members of the airsoft community who are concerned with how the changes in the legislation may affect them. It will be incumbent on the cabinet secretary in guidance and in regulation in the future to ensure that airsoft and related communities are clear about what is covered in the licensing regime. There are issues related to the strength of the weapon being used: technological advances that are taking place, particularly in the airsoft area, mean that some of those weapons may soon become covered by the air weapons licensing that we are proposing today.

I welcome the discussions that are taking place, and I welcome the fact that the cabinet secretary has been so consensual.

Access to sexual entertainment venues, dealt with in amendments 22 and 19, is an area that the Local Government and Regeneration Committee discussed at stage 2 in terms of the relevant issues and the impact that provisions in the bill may have on employment in, and access to, those venues. I am glad that the cabinet secretary lodged an amendment on that; although the majority in the chamber accepted it, it is quite clear that there is still much debate to be held outwith the chamber.

I will support the bill as amended at stage 3, and I look forward to its implementation. If it needs to be worked on in the future, I look forward to the opportunity to do that.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-13606, in the name of Michael Matheson, on the Air Weapons and Licensing (Scotland) Bill. 16:03
The Cabinet Secretary for Justice (Michael Matheson) SNP
I am pleased to open the stage 3 debate on the Air Weapons and Licensing (Scotland) Bill. For the purposes of rule 9.11 of standing orders, I advise the Parl...
Alex Fergusson (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con) Con
I appreciate the cabinet secretary verifying that the principal purpose is to reduce crime involving air weapons, but can he tell me what evidential back-up ...
Michael Matheson SNP
The member is correct to say that gun crime is at an almost record low. However, within the category of gun crime, almost half of all the offences involve ai...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
Before I call Cara Hilton, I inform members that, to allow everyone to speak in the debate, I have determined that decision time will take place at 10 past f...
Cara Hilton (Dunfermline) (Lab) Lab
I echo the cabinet secretary’s comments and thank all who were involved in devoting time and energy to supporting us in our scrutiny of the Air Weapons and L...
Michael Matheson SNP
Does Cara Hilton understand the point that I made about her amendment and the Government’s amendment in relation to under-18s having access to sexual enterta...
Cara Hilton Lab
That is one interpretation, but I am not convinced by those arguments. I lodged the same amendment at stage 2 and I did not hear those arguments then; this i...
Kevin Stewart (Aberdeen Central) (SNP) SNP
Oh.
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
Order.
Cara Hilton Lab
I have lost my place now. I am pleased that the Scottish Government introduced positive amendments that will improve notification procedures and require lo...
Alex Fergusson (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con) Con
In opening the debate for the Scottish Conservatives, I am sorry to say that I find myself every bit as perplexed about the bill now as I was at stage 1. The...
Kevin Stewart (Aberdeen Central) (SNP) SNP
In April, we debated and agreed the general principles of the Air Weapons and Licensing (Scotland) Bill, and today we debate the bill in the form in which we...
Elaine Murray (Dumfriesshire) (Lab) Lab
The intention of people who support the bill has never been to ban air weapons; it has been to regulate them. Air weapons can and, sadly, do kill. It is wron...
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD
I join others in thanking Kevin Stewart’s committee and committee witnesses for their work on what is, by common consent, a wide-ranging and complex bill. Ca...
Sandra White (Glasgow Kelvin) (SNP) SNP
The bill is an important one that deals with metal theft, air weapon licensing, alcohol licensing and, of course, sexual entertainment venues. I will limit m...
Malcolm Chisholm (Edinburgh Northern and Leith) (Lab) Lab
I welcome many of the changes that the bill will bring about, although I think that there will, in due course, need to be a more fundamental revision of the ...
Kevin Stewart SNP
Will Malcolm Chisholm give way?
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
The member is in his last minute.
Malcolm Chisholm Lab
If Cara Hilton’s amendment had dealt with a new issue, we would not be able to complain. However, it dealt with an issue on which she had lodged an amendment...
John Wilson (Central Scotland) (SNP) Ind
I want to take this opportunity to welcome the discussion and debate on what are clearly important issues for Scotland. The health and security of everyone i...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
We will now have closing speeches. 16:51
Cameron Buchanan (Lothian) (Con) Con
The Air Weapons and Licensing (Scotland) Bill has drawn out areas of both consensus and contention, as today’s debate has shown. As I have commented before, ...
Kevin Stewart SNP
Will the member give way?
Cameron Buchanan Con
Certainly.
Kevin Stewart SNP
I thank Mr Buchanan for giving way. We recognise that there is a small minority of abusers of air weapons. However, the use of those weapons by abusers has l...
Cameron Buchanan Con
What evidence do we have that a licensing regime will prevent deaths? I cannot see it. I do not think it will make any difference; I think that those people ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
Mr Buchanan, carry on.
Cameron Buchanan Con
The misuse of air weapons is confined to a tiny minority of users, as recently published statistics on recorded crimes in Scotland involving firearms for 201...
Colin Keir (Edinburgh Western) (SNP) SNP
Will the member give way?