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Meeting of the Parliament 25 June 2015

25 Jun 2015 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Air Weapons and Licensing (Scotland) Bill
Chisholm, Malcolm Lab Edinburgh Northern and Leith Watch on SPTV

I welcome many of the changes that the bill will bring about, although I think that there will, in due course, need to be a more fundamental revision of the Civic Government (Scotland) Act 1982.

On airguns, I accept—as Alex Fergusson said—that the bill is not going to eliminate the problem totally. However, I believe that, as with firearms legislation, it will make a significant difference. It is right that it parallels firearms legislation, because the reality is that airguns cause a great deal of harm to people, pets and wild animals. It is therefore absolutely right to have a fit-and-proper-person test. People should have a reasonable and proper use for such weapons.

The issue of alcohol comes up frequently at community councils, and the bill makes some good progress. The fit-and-proper-person test for licensed premises and personal licence applications is a good measure, as is the renewed and reinforced focus on overprovision, which relates the measure to the whole licensing board area. In speaking to his amendment 14, Richard Simpson made the important point that communities must have all the information in order to be able to object to overprovision meaningfully and realistically. That is why he wanted a national register. He withdrew amendment 14 because some defect in it was pointed out, but he referred to subsection (6) of the new section that will be introduced by amendment 12, which is the amendment on the annual functions reports that was agreed to. I think that it is possible, through that subsection, to provide the information that Richard Simpson was seeking. I think that the cabinet secretary accepted that, and I hope that he will keep Parliament informed on that.

Everybody welcomes the provisions on scrap metal. We know that there is a problem with metal theft, so anything that makes it more difficult to dispose of stolen metal has to be a good thing.

Last, but by no means least, is the issue of sexual entertainment venues. The provisions in the bill about empowering local authorities and enabling them to say no are correct and widely welcomed. We should pay tribute to Cara Hilton and Zero Tolerance for the way in which they have developed the policy, in partnership with the minister to a large extent, over the past few weeks. That has resulted in the agreement today to an amendment on a statement of policy by local authorities, and the requirement for that statement to take into account the wider policy context. That is welcome progress.

Also welcome is the requirement for local bodies to be notified. Again, that includes community councils, violence against women partnerships and others, following the statutory guidance that was announced by the cabinet secretary today.

The main problem in this area today was the debate around amendment 19 and amendment 22. We all had strong briefings on the issue from Barnardo’s and the children’s commissioner, and we had previous influential briefings from Zero Tolerance that emphasised the position that sexual entertainment is an example of the objectification and sexual exploitation of women and is, therefore, intrinsically undesirable. People will therefore understand why we supported Cara Hilton’s amendment on the issue of people under 18. We had a problem when the cabinet secretary introduced a whole lot of new arguments that had not been presented at stage 2.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-13606, in the name of Michael Matheson, on the Air Weapons and Licensing (Scotland) Bill. 16:03
The Cabinet Secretary for Justice (Michael Matheson) SNP
I am pleased to open the stage 3 debate on the Air Weapons and Licensing (Scotland) Bill. For the purposes of rule 9.11 of standing orders, I advise the Parl...
Alex Fergusson (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con) Con
I appreciate the cabinet secretary verifying that the principal purpose is to reduce crime involving air weapons, but can he tell me what evidential back-up ...
Michael Matheson SNP
The member is correct to say that gun crime is at an almost record low. However, within the category of gun crime, almost half of all the offences involve ai...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
Before I call Cara Hilton, I inform members that, to allow everyone to speak in the debate, I have determined that decision time will take place at 10 past f...
Cara Hilton (Dunfermline) (Lab) Lab
I echo the cabinet secretary’s comments and thank all who were involved in devoting time and energy to supporting us in our scrutiny of the Air Weapons and L...
Michael Matheson SNP
Does Cara Hilton understand the point that I made about her amendment and the Government’s amendment in relation to under-18s having access to sexual enterta...
Cara Hilton Lab
That is one interpretation, but I am not convinced by those arguments. I lodged the same amendment at stage 2 and I did not hear those arguments then; this i...
Kevin Stewart (Aberdeen Central) (SNP) SNP
Oh.
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
Order.
Cara Hilton Lab
I have lost my place now. I am pleased that the Scottish Government introduced positive amendments that will improve notification procedures and require lo...
Alex Fergusson (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con) Con
In opening the debate for the Scottish Conservatives, I am sorry to say that I find myself every bit as perplexed about the bill now as I was at stage 1. The...
Kevin Stewart (Aberdeen Central) (SNP) SNP
In April, we debated and agreed the general principles of the Air Weapons and Licensing (Scotland) Bill, and today we debate the bill in the form in which we...
Elaine Murray (Dumfriesshire) (Lab) Lab
The intention of people who support the bill has never been to ban air weapons; it has been to regulate them. Air weapons can and, sadly, do kill. It is wron...
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD
I join others in thanking Kevin Stewart’s committee and committee witnesses for their work on what is, by common consent, a wide-ranging and complex bill. Ca...
Sandra White (Glasgow Kelvin) (SNP) SNP
The bill is an important one that deals with metal theft, air weapon licensing, alcohol licensing and, of course, sexual entertainment venues. I will limit m...
Malcolm Chisholm (Edinburgh Northern and Leith) (Lab) Lab
I welcome many of the changes that the bill will bring about, although I think that there will, in due course, need to be a more fundamental revision of the ...
Kevin Stewart SNP
Will Malcolm Chisholm give way?
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
The member is in his last minute.
Malcolm Chisholm Lab
If Cara Hilton’s amendment had dealt with a new issue, we would not be able to complain. However, it dealt with an issue on which she had lodged an amendment...
John Wilson (Central Scotland) (SNP) Ind
I want to take this opportunity to welcome the discussion and debate on what are clearly important issues for Scotland. The health and security of everyone i...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
We will now have closing speeches. 16:51
Cameron Buchanan (Lothian) (Con) Con
The Air Weapons and Licensing (Scotland) Bill has drawn out areas of both consensus and contention, as today’s debate has shown. As I have commented before, ...
Kevin Stewart SNP
Will the member give way?
Cameron Buchanan Con
Certainly.
Kevin Stewart SNP
I thank Mr Buchanan for giving way. We recognise that there is a small minority of abusers of air weapons. However, the use of those weapons by abusers has l...
Cameron Buchanan Con
What evidence do we have that a licensing regime will prevent deaths? I cannot see it. I do not think it will make any difference; I think that those people ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
Mr Buchanan, carry on.
Cameron Buchanan Con
The misuse of air weapons is confined to a tiny minority of users, as recently published statistics on recorded crimes in Scotland involving firearms for 201...
Colin Keir (Edinburgh Western) (SNP) SNP
Will the member give way?