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Meeting of the Parliament 25 June 2015

25 Jun 2015 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Air Weapons and Licensing (Scotland) Bill

I echo the cabinet secretary’s comments and thank all who were involved in devoting time and energy to supporting us in our scrutiny of the Air Weapons and Licensing (Scotland) Bill. I particularly thank the parliamentary staff for the support that they provided to the Local Government and Regeneration Committee during the bill’s progress.

I joined the committee mid-way through the process, so I missed many of the early evidence sessions, but I thank all the witnesses and interest groups that engaged with the committee and provided evidence on the wide range of topics that the bill covers. I thank the cabinet secretary for his willingness to work with committee members and other MSPs to improve the bill and for engaging with and responding constructively to all stakeholders involved.

The bill is certainly a bill of many parts. It introduces a new licensing regime for air weapons, as well as reforming local authority licensing functions in respect of alcohol, taxis and private hire cars, scrap metal dealers and theatres. The bill also introduces a new licensing regime for sexual entertainment venues.

According to the policy memorandum, the bill’s aim is to protect public safety, preserve public order, reduce crime and advance public health. During the stage 2 debate back in April, my colleague Alex Rowley suggested that combining such a diverse range of subjects and objectives into a single bill, which is based on possibly outdated legislation, is perhaps not the best way to legislate. I hope that this Scottish Government and future Governments will reflect on that.

The committee’s report on the bill stated that

“The Bill is what could be described as a ‘pick and mix’”.

That sums up the situation pretty well. Scottish Labour will support the bill today, but we do not think that it is perfect.

Considerable progress has been made on alcohol licensing. I was pleased that our amendments were accepted and to hear the reassurance that was given to Dr Richard Simpson that work on the issue that his amendment raised is under way.

We are concerned that some parts of section 68 of the bill, as amended by the Government today, could put children and young people at risk. I am disappointed that my amendment to totally ban under-18s from sexual entertainment venues was rejected, despite having the backing of Scotland’s Commissioner for Children and Young People, Barnardo’s Scotland, the Zero Tolerance Trust, Scottish Women’s Aid and Rape Crisis Scotland.

I am disappointed that the Scottish Government believes that it is acceptable for young people to have access to sexual entertainment venues if owners can come up with a reasonable excuse. That directly contradicts a range of key Scottish Government policies that Scottish Labour supports, such as getting it right for every child and the Children and Young People (Scotland) Act 2014. It is also inconsistent with the Scottish Government’s strategy on violence against women.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-13606, in the name of Michael Matheson, on the Air Weapons and Licensing (Scotland) Bill. 16:03
The Cabinet Secretary for Justice (Michael Matheson) SNP
I am pleased to open the stage 3 debate on the Air Weapons and Licensing (Scotland) Bill. For the purposes of rule 9.11 of standing orders, I advise the Parl...
Alex Fergusson (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con) Con
I appreciate the cabinet secretary verifying that the principal purpose is to reduce crime involving air weapons, but can he tell me what evidential back-up ...
Michael Matheson SNP
The member is correct to say that gun crime is at an almost record low. However, within the category of gun crime, almost half of all the offences involve ai...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
Before I call Cara Hilton, I inform members that, to allow everyone to speak in the debate, I have determined that decision time will take place at 10 past f...
Cara Hilton (Dunfermline) (Lab) Lab
I echo the cabinet secretary’s comments and thank all who were involved in devoting time and energy to supporting us in our scrutiny of the Air Weapons and L...
Michael Matheson SNP
Does Cara Hilton understand the point that I made about her amendment and the Government’s amendment in relation to under-18s having access to sexual enterta...
Cara Hilton Lab
That is one interpretation, but I am not convinced by those arguments. I lodged the same amendment at stage 2 and I did not hear those arguments then; this i...
Kevin Stewart (Aberdeen Central) (SNP) SNP
Oh.
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
Order.
Cara Hilton Lab
I have lost my place now. I am pleased that the Scottish Government introduced positive amendments that will improve notification procedures and require lo...
Alex Fergusson (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con) Con
In opening the debate for the Scottish Conservatives, I am sorry to say that I find myself every bit as perplexed about the bill now as I was at stage 1. The...
Kevin Stewart (Aberdeen Central) (SNP) SNP
In April, we debated and agreed the general principles of the Air Weapons and Licensing (Scotland) Bill, and today we debate the bill in the form in which we...
Elaine Murray (Dumfriesshire) (Lab) Lab
The intention of people who support the bill has never been to ban air weapons; it has been to regulate them. Air weapons can and, sadly, do kill. It is wron...
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD
I join others in thanking Kevin Stewart’s committee and committee witnesses for their work on what is, by common consent, a wide-ranging and complex bill. Ca...
Sandra White (Glasgow Kelvin) (SNP) SNP
The bill is an important one that deals with metal theft, air weapon licensing, alcohol licensing and, of course, sexual entertainment venues. I will limit m...
Malcolm Chisholm (Edinburgh Northern and Leith) (Lab) Lab
I welcome many of the changes that the bill will bring about, although I think that there will, in due course, need to be a more fundamental revision of the ...
Kevin Stewart SNP
Will Malcolm Chisholm give way?
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
The member is in his last minute.
Malcolm Chisholm Lab
If Cara Hilton’s amendment had dealt with a new issue, we would not be able to complain. However, it dealt with an issue on which she had lodged an amendment...
John Wilson (Central Scotland) (SNP) Ind
I want to take this opportunity to welcome the discussion and debate on what are clearly important issues for Scotland. The health and security of everyone i...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
We will now have closing speeches. 16:51
Cameron Buchanan (Lothian) (Con) Con
The Air Weapons and Licensing (Scotland) Bill has drawn out areas of both consensus and contention, as today’s debate has shown. As I have commented before, ...
Kevin Stewart SNP
Will the member give way?
Cameron Buchanan Con
Certainly.
Kevin Stewart SNP
I thank Mr Buchanan for giving way. We recognise that there is a small minority of abusers of air weapons. However, the use of those weapons by abusers has l...
Cameron Buchanan Con
What evidence do we have that a licensing regime will prevent deaths? I cannot see it. I do not think it will make any difference; I think that those people ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
Mr Buchanan, carry on.
Cameron Buchanan Con
The misuse of air weapons is confined to a tiny minority of users, as recently published statistics on recorded crimes in Scotland involving firearms for 201...
Colin Keir (Edinburgh Western) (SNP) SNP
Will the member give way?