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Meeting of the Parliament 24 June 2015

24 Jun 2015 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Mental Health (Scotland) Bill
Marra, Jenny Lab North East Scotland Watch on SPTV

I welcome the final stage of the Mental Health (Scotland) Bill. I thank the members who moved amendments this afternoon and who put all that work into considering the detail of the bill—specifically the minister and my colleagues Richard Simpson and Jackie Baillie.

We recognise that the bill is an important step in tackling one of the greatest public health challenges of our time. We can reflect today on the progress that we have made as a country in removing the stigma attributed to mental health problems and addressing the complex and varied need for support that the many people who are affected have. In acknowledging the rise in awareness of mental health problems and the growing confidence that people now have in coming forward to access help, we also recognise that we still have much to do to ensure that a proper preventative agenda is in place and that we support people to overcome or better manage mental health issues.

The bill brings to an end a long and often technical process, which implements much of the comprehensive and detailed work of Professor Jim McManus and his review team on how we help people to access quick and effective treatment for mental health issues. The amount of work—which builds on Bruce Millan’s review of some years ago—that has gone into the bill and the level of engagement on the detail from outside groups prove what a serious and important issue this is for our Parliament and Scotland.

I think that every member in the chamber shares my experience of dealing with a vast amount of constituency casework on mental health issues, access to mental health services and the effect of mental health issues on our communities and on families—every family in Scotland, I think.

I commend the Government for the early approach that it took to the passage of the bill by listening and responding to concerns that were raised at stage 1. I believe that we have improved the bill, which will be passed today with our support. However, there are areas in which we could have gone further, particularly on the definition of mental disorder and on patients’ rights.

As we know, the Millan review in 2001 recommended that there should be an expert review at an early date of the position of learning disability within mental health law. That was echoed by the McManus review, which said in 2009 that it was time that a review was done. That is supported by a number of groups, including Inclusion Scotland and Enable Scotland. Inclusion Scotland said:

“We believe that evidence presented to the Health and Sport Committee raises serious questions on whether the safeguards in the 2003 Act, particularly on the role of Mental Health Officers and the right to advocacy, are working as intended, and on whether mental health legislation is compatible with ... ECHR.

Inclusion Scotland therefore believes that the time is right for a more comprehensive review of mental health legislation in Scotland to ensure compliance with human rights obligations and to provide specific legislation to meet the needs of people with learning disabilities or Autistic Spectrum Disorders.”

Enable pointed out that

“14 years after a review was first recommended in Millan, people with learning disabilities are still waiting for a review to take place.

The case for a review was made very ably today in this chamber by my colleagues Richard Simpson and Jackie Baillie. Jackie Baillie’s amendment 1 would have instigated a major review of mental health services, putting rights first.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith) Lab
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-13599, in the name of Jamie Hepburn, on the Mental Health (Scotland) Bill. I ask members who are leaving ...
The Minister for Sport, Health Improvement and Mental Health (Jamie Hepburn) SNP
The Mental Health (Scotland) Bill’s overarching objective is to help people with a mental disorder to access effective treatment quickly and easily. It does ...
Jenny Marra (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I welcome the final stage of the Mental Health (Scotland) Bill. I thank the members who moved amendments this afternoon and who put all that work into consid...
Jamie Hepburn SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Jenny Marra Lab
I would like to make progress first, thank you. A major review would have explored whether learning disability and autism should be considered mental disord...
Jamie Hepburn SNP
Ms Marra suggests that we have rejected the approach that will see a review of the inclusion of learning disability and autism within the scope of the 2003 a...
Jenny Marra Lab
I thank the minister for that assurance but it is my understanding that Jackie Baillie’s amendment was rejected by the Government. Will the minister clarify ...
Jamie Hepburn SNP
The debate was around the specifics of the amendment. We had the detailed debate. I am happy to go over it again in closing. Rejecting the amendment was not ...
Jenny Marra Lab
When the minister sums up, I hope that he might put a timeframe on that review and make a commitment to that. We welcome many of the well-thought-out steps ...
Nanette Milne (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
I add my thanks to the Health and Sport Committee clerks, the bill team, and the many witnesses and stakeholders who have been so helpful throughout the parl...
Jamie Hepburn SNP
I understand where Nanette Milne is coming from and I understand the frustrations that exist out there—that is one of the reasons why we have committed to un...
Nanette Milne Con
I understand and fully accept the intent, but we would really like to know when the process will end, rather than that it has begun. There are unresolved is...
Bob Doris (Glasgow) (SNP) SNP
I welcome the Mental Health (Scotland) Bill as amended at stage 2 and stage 3, which I very much hope and believe will be passed this evening. The bill is sp...
Rhoda Grant (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
This bill is welcome and the changes that it makes to the law will make a positive difference to the lives of individuals. However, it is clear that much mor...
Jim Hume (South Scotland) (LD) LD
I am pleased to see the Mental Health (Scotland) Bill at this final stage. I am hopeful about the positive changes that the bill will make to the Mental Heal...
Jamie Hepburn SNP
I praise the member for his consistency in raising that issue. I will not rehearse again the fact that there is already equality in law. Jim Hume suggests th...
Jim Hume LD
We looked into that but realised that the structure of the bill was such that we could not introduce an amendment seeking parity of status between mental hea...
Mark McDonald (Aberdeen Donside) (SNP) SNP
The bill is a very important piece of legislation, but it is close to me personally for a number of reasons. I have experience of close family members who ha...
Malcolm Chisholm (Edinburgh Northern and Leith) (Lab) Lab
I, too, welcome the bill. As ever at stage 3, we have to decide whether the glass is half empty or half full. On one hand, we certainly welcome the fact that...
Jamie Hepburn SNP
Does Malcolm Chisholm agree that that speaks to my collaborative and open approach at stage 2?
Malcolm Chisholm Lab
I think that we were collaborative in 2003, as well. Clearly, the bill is an amending bill, so in due course there might well be a need for a wider review, ...
Mary Scanlon (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
I, too, commend the members of the Health and Sport Committee for their sterling work on the bill, and give credit for all the progress that is contained in ...
Dr Richard Simpson (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
The bill is modest but, as Mark McDonald and Jenny Marra said, it is important. It is based on the McManus report but, as Malcolm Chisholm reminded us, there...
Jamie Hepburn SNP
I thank members for their speeches. I will try and cover as much ground as I can. Although the bill has a relatively narrow focus, many of its provisions wi...
Mary Scanlon Con
I gave the example that Highland Council, which should, under the Adults with Incapacity (Scotland) Act 2000, provide a report by a mental health officer in ...
Jamie Hepburn SNP
It is important to clarify that it is £100 million, not £150 million, although that is still a substantial sum of money, as I am sure Mary Scanlon agrees. Th...