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Meeting of the Parliament 23 June 2015

23 Jun 2015 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Prisoners (Control of Release) (Scotland) Bill
Grahame, Christine SNP Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale Watch on SPTV

Much has already been said about this short bill, so I will try not to repeat too much. I think that we all agree that ending automatic early release is, in itself, a good thing. The Justice Committee, with the exception of Margaret Mitchell, agreed with the general principles of the bill.

Members will recall that at the committee stage the bill dealt with certain categories of long-term prisoner. As amended, it deals with all long-term prisoners—those who are serving four years or more. We are not talking about short-term prison sentences, so those are irrelevant in discussion of the bill. One might ask why we do not end automatic release for all, but that is not the purpose of the bill, and there are practical constraints. In order to deal with that issue, we know that we have to have more prisoner places and more post-custody support, and—as the cabinet secretary made plain in his evidence to the committee—we have to be looking at a change of culture to having alternatives to short-term custodial sentences. We know that those sentences simply do not work and that there is a revolving door with people going in and out of prison.

I hope that the announcement about how we are to deal with women offenders heralds how we will deal with young offenders and others, in terms of looking at the whole set of circumstances that lead some people—though not all—to find themselves in the penal system with a drug or alcohol habit.

For long-term prisoners, one thing that the committee was quite rightly concerned about was cold release. Therefore we welcome the stage 2 extension of the bill’s provisions to all prisoners serving four years or more. We also asked that the six-month period be made part of the custodial sentence: that is what has happened. The sentence continues, but there is a bridge, as it were, from rehabilitation programmes in prison to when the person is out of prison.

Although nothing is perfect in this world, in evidence we were told that it is during the early weeks of a prisoner’s release—in fact, the early hours and days—that the person is vulnerable to going back into old habits with old gangs that they knew.

Elaine Murray’s amendment is complicated. We did not take evidence on fractions of sentences, so I do not think that the amendment would have taken us forward. At least we know where we are with six months; six months is the mandatory period, but that does not mean that nothing will continue thereafter.

That will also link into the Community Justice (Scotland) Bill, and that is where we see the larger picture. There is £100 million going into community justice to look at how we handle community sentences and people once they are released from prison. We know that prison does not work for most people. Obviously there are people who should be kept in prison and away from others because they are a danger to society, but for many people prison simply does not work.

Section 2 contains a provision that will be lost if the bill is voted down, which concerns the timing of release to benefit reintegration. We all know—as others have said—that releasing a prisoner on a Friday is bad. Everything is closed, the person is left to meet their old cronies, they have no money, they have no social security and they have no home. They have nothing. Members who vote against the bill tonight are voting against the flexibility that will enable prisoners to be released earlier, up to two days before their release date.

The bill gives clarity to victims. Somebody who is sentenced to six years will do five years and six months and will then have six months supervision in the community. Everyone will know where they are with the provisions in the bill. Of course, the bill is not perfect, but I do not know any piece of legislation that has been passed by this Parliament that is perfect. The Government’s endeavours are a start; it is trying to ensure that there is continuity of rehabilitation from within the prison to outwith the prison, we hope with the same people involved. I know that Colin McConnell, the chief executive of the SPS, has made it plain that that is his goal.

I want to ask about the commencement of the provisions. Section 3(2) says:

“The other provisions of this Act come into force on such day as the Scottish Ministers may by order appoint.”

If the bill is passed tonight, we are talking about prisoners being released at different times, with six months’ supervision, so I would like to have some idea about when the provisions will come into force.

I am not sure whether Labour is abstaining or voting against the bill. Either would be a bad move. If Labour members were to be successful in stopping the bill, they would be stopping prisoners having supervision when they require it and they would also be stopping people being released at a time when they have some chance of making a better start.

16:06  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-13597, in the name of Michael Matheson, on the Prisoners (Control of Release) (Scotland) Bill. 15:22
The Cabinet Secretary for Justice (Michael Matheson) SNP
I welcome the opportunity to open the stage 3 debate on the Prisoners (Control of Release) (Scotland) Bill. First, I offer my thanks to the Justice Committee...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
I call Dr Elaine Murray. You have seven minutes. As we are now quite tight for time, please make it a pretty exact seven minutes. 15:32
Elaine Murray (Dumfriesshire) (Lab) Lab
The term “ending automatic early release” has been used so often over the years that its meaning has not been questioned. That was the case until the Justice...
Christian Allard (North East Scotland) (SNP) SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Elaine Murray Lab
No, sorry. I do not really have much time. In the ministerial statement prior to this debate, Fergus Ewing reminded us that irrational decisions can result ...
John Finnie (Highlands and Islands) (Ind) Ind
Will the member give way?
Elaine Murray Lab
I am sorry, but I do not have much time. The Government has not been able to provide evidence that a six-month supervisory sentence for all long-term prison...
Margaret Mitchell (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
I pay tribute to the Justice Committee clerks for their hard work and to the witnesses who provided such vital and insightful evidence at stage 1 and stage 2...
Christian Allard SNP
Will the member give way?
Margaret Mitchell Con
If Mr Allard does not mind, I will make progress. We are now in a situation in which the legitimate concerns and criticisms of stakeholders, which range fro...
Christian Allard SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Margaret Mitchell Con
No. If the member does not mind, I have some progress to make. That in turn has proportionality implications that may lead to potential human rights challen...
Roderick Campbell (North East Fife) (SNP) SNP
We must acknowledge that the bill has moved since stage 1 and that it operates in the context of the 2007 and 2010 legislation in the area, as yet to be impl...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith) Lab
I have a little bit of time in hand at this stage. 15:48
Graeme Pearson (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I am pleased to speak in this afternoon’s debate. However, I am disappointed because introducing the legislation in this way is a missed opportunity. Rod Ca...
Christian Allard SNP
It is important to understand what the academics told the committee. They said that cold release is the problem. A vast amount of cold release is happening. ...
Graeme Pearson Lab
I am grateful for that intervention. I accept that the days of cold release should be history. Unfortunately, they will not be. Over the past few months, I h...
Alison McInnes (North East Scotland) (LD) LD
It is important to remember that automatic early release is a management device. It was introduced as a safety valve to ease the pressure caused by escalatin...
John Finnie (Highlands and Islands) (Ind) Ind
The policy memorandum talks about helping to reduce offending and improve public safety, and it is important that we have an evidence base for that. People h...
Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP) SNP
Much has already been said about this short bill, so I will try not to repeat too much. I think that we all agree that ending automatic early release is, in ...
Jayne Baxter (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
The core principle behind the bill is recognised across the chamber: automatic early release of prisoners does not engender confidence in our criminal justic...
John Finnie Ind
Will Jayne Baxter give way?
Jayne Baxter Lab
No. We must ensure that each offender’s risk profile is central to the debate about whether they are released early. For those who have committed serious of...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
We come to the closing speeches. I call Margaret Mitchell. 16:10
Margaret Mitchell Con
Oh, it is me. I thought I heard “followed by”. If the decision to pass the bill is taken at 4.30 pm, the Parliament will be able to take absolutely no pride...
Hugh Henry (Renfrewshire South) (Lab) Lab
I cannot find any fault in the idea that we should end automatic early release. Victims, and indeed the general public, deserve some clarity from our legal s...
Christian Allard SNP
Will the member give way?
Hugh Henry Lab
No, thank you. Roderick Campbell criticised Elaine Murray, saying that there was no evidence for her amendment. That was echoed by Christine Grahame, who sa...
Michael Matheson SNP
I have listened with interest to the issues and points raised, although some of them were echoes of concerns that were raised at stage 1 of the bill. I said ...