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Meeting of the Parliament 10 June 2015

10 Jun 2015 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Health
Marra, Jenny Lab North East Scotland Watch on SPTV

There is a great consensus in all the reports that we have seen about the shift to preventative spend. We will approach the public debate with a programme of what we would like to see and to discuss, but I do not think that we can second-guess the outcome of the public conversation that the royal colleges called for last week. However, I think that, as the member knows, the evidence is there on preventative spend.

I have every confidence that the people of Scotland will make the right decisions when presented with the facts about the health service. With the public engaged, the professionals consulted and the politicians in agreement, we could have a process completed in six months, which would set out guiding principles and changes for the future.

We should take cognisance of reports and reviews that have been prepared in past years. We should take our present experience and focus firmly on the health service that we want. Ahead of the 2016 Scottish Parliament elections, we could get agreement across parties on a road map so that, no matter what election result or political outcome, we can have confidence that our NHS will be moving towards a sound and sustainable footing.

The accusation from the BMA report and the royal colleges that, in the past, politics has obscured the best way forward for the health service is one that we should all reflect on. I am sure that we can all think of examples of situations in which populism or political opportunity has overridden the desire to do what we know is best for our NHS, and we should all take some collective responsibility for that. Given the scale of the challenge that we face in reshaping the health service, we can no longer afford that indulgence. An opportunity exists for us to move past that point in the best interests of the people of Scotland, the sick and the vulnerable.

So far, the cabinet secretary has responded in a positive way to those calls and she can be sure that, as health spokesperson for the largest Opposition party in the Parliament, I will do my job of holding her Government to account. When she and her Government get it wrong, it is our responsibility to stand up for those who suffer the consequences, but when she is prepared to be brave and bold in making the changes that need to be made in the interests of Scotland, I will be the first to be in agreement with her. That is the opportunity that this process presents.

I hope that the cabinet secretary will tell us how she proposes to ensure that we have the necessary engagement between the public, the professionals and politicians for the good of the country’s health. The challenge that we face is a tough one but one that we should welcome. The fact that people are living longer is a triumph for society and for progress, and we should treasure the extra years with our parents and grandparents, whose experience and wisdom are irreplaceable. We should approach the task of reshaping our national health service to meet the challenges of today with optimism and ambition, in the same way that those who created our NHS did nearly seven decades ago.

I move,

That the Parliament commends the hard work of staff at every level of NHS Scotland and Scotland’s care services; recognises that delivering the healthcare that the Parliament would want for the people of Scotland in a time of straitened budgets and an ageing population presents one of the country’s biggest challenges; further recognises that NHS boards and staff across the country are finding it increasingly difficult to meet some of these key challenges; notes the recent report commissioned by the BMA Scottish consultants committee, which questions the future sustainability of the NHS unless more resources are found; further notes the report, Building a More Sustainable NHS in Scotland, by the medical and nursing royal colleges speaking for the first time in a single voice, insisting that transformation is needed to put the NHS on a sustainable footing and calling for “a genuine public debate on change”; welcomes the comments this week by the Cabinet Secretary for Health, Wellbeing and Sport that she wants to “look beyond short-term demands and foster a consensus around how we best manage our NHS to ensure it meets the considerable challenges of the future”, and looks forward to the Scottish Government setting out a process that involves all political parties, professionals and the public in how to improve the health, care and wellbeing of Scotland.

14:56  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith) Lab
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-13416, in the name of Jenny Marra, on health. I invite members who wish to contribute to the debate to pr...
Jenny Marra (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I and other Labour members have approached today’s debate in a conciliatory way, hoping to reach a consensus on the way in which we take forward the debate o...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
Will the member give way?
Jenny Marra Lab
I would like to make a little more progress, but I will do so later. Those are significant and considered interventions from experts who do not use such str...
John Mason SNP
Does the member agree that one of the decisions that must be made and in which the public certainly must be involved is whether we put more resource into pre...
Jenny Marra Lab
There is a great consensus in all the reports that we have seen about the shift to preventative spend. We will approach the public debate with a programme of...
The Cabinet Secretary for Health, Wellbeing and Sport (Shona Robison) SNP
I welcome Jenny Marra’s consensual tone. My amendment seeks to build on that tone, and I hope that it will be received in that spirit. Presiding Officer, I ...
Jenny Marra Lab
I thank the cabinet secretary for her considered response, and I welcome the fact that the chief medical officer is visiting Ninewells on Monday. However, do...
Shona Robison SNP
Of course. Indeed, that is why we have set up the whistleblowing helpline. However, that does not mean that the concern that is raised is always correct or t...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
I can give you two minutes back.
Shona Robison SNP
We face a number of challenges to our health and social care system including poor patterns of health, health inequalities, rapidly changing demography, high...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
Will you draw to a close now, please, cabinet secretary?
Shona Robison SNP
Yes. That level of open engagement will seek consensus on a reform plan for health and social care by 2016, with further engagement beyond then on into impl...
Nanette Milne (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
We very much welcome this debate. Like everyone here, Scottish Conservatives greatly value the work and dedication of the staff in NHS Scotland and Scotland’...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
We turn to the open debate. I ask for speeches of six minutes, please. There is not a lot of time in hand. 15:16
Bob Doris (Glasgow) (SNP) SNP
I start by referring to targets in the NHS, which was a theme in the opening speeches. The briefing that the royal colleges prepared for the debate specifica...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
Mr Doris, you really must close.
Bob Doris SNP
That is a hobby horse of mine. I hope that the cabinet secretary has listened to my sales pitch for the care sector. 15:23
Lewis Macdonald (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
The challenge of matching NHS resources to demand for healthcare is tough everywhere, and nowhere more so than in NHS Grampian. I know the service well, not ...
John Mason SNP
I take the member’s point about population being important. Does he agree that need and deprivation are also important?
Lewis Macdonald Lab
Absolutely, and that is exactly what the NRAC formula is intended to reflect—population growth, need and deprivation and urban and rural populations. The Gov...
Linda Fabiani (East Kilbride) (SNP) SNP
I welcomed the text of Jenny Marra’s motion when I read it after it was published last night, and I welcome the generally consensual and positive speech that...
Jim Hume (South Scotland) (LD) LD
I welcome this debate on health. At a time when we often take a narrow focus and address only separate elements of the NHS, I believe—as the Royal College of...
The Minister for Sport, Health Improvement and Mental Health (Jamie Hepburn) SNP
Mr Hume has raised the issue of mental health valiantly on many occasions, and more power to his elbow in doing so, but I reiterate the point that parity bet...
Jim Hume LD
I have replied that it does not repeat what has been done elsewhere to state the need for parity between physical health and mental health. I am happy to for...
Dennis Robertson (Aberdeenshire West) (SNP) SNP
Just yesterday, directors of finance from some of our NHS boards gave evidence to the Heath and Sport Committee, and at one point I started to feel very sorr...
Jim Hume LD
Dennis Robertson said that I am not listening, but although the Mental Health (Scotland) Bill states that there should be improvements in mental health, it d...
Dennis Robertson SNP
That proves my point to some extent, because we have interpretation. The issue will be about our coming together to try to make improvements. Our nurses—perh...
Jenny Marra Lab
Dennis Robertson referred to my remarks on the timescale of the public conversation that the RCN has called for. He is saying that we are looking for solutio...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
And your point is?