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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 09 June 2015

09 Jun 2015 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
European Union Referendum

Scotland has been a positive and integral part of the European Union for more than 40 years. Engagement with the European Union and its institutions has been and will remain a core priority for this Government, but we now stand near a crossroads. The outcome of the general election has resulted in the publication of a United Kingdom referendum bill—the European Union Referendum Bill—which lays the ground for an in/out referendum in the UK before the end of 2017. Although the Scottish Government made it clear in the run-up to the general election that we do not support the holding of a referendum on EU membership, a referendum is now a reality and we must deal with it.

The Westminster Parliament is debating the European Union Referendum Bill at second reading today. On the proposed franchise, the bill fails to meet the gold standard of the independence referendum. On reform, the Scottish National Party Government set out our views in “Scotland’s Agenda for EU Reform”, which was published on 20 August 2014. Those reforms can be achieved without treaty change.

We will make the positive case for the benefits that EU membership brings to Scotland and, indeed, to the rest of the UK. We will say why it is vital that our membership of the EU continue, and why it is incumbent on all of us to make the case for continued EU membership as a referendum approaches.

The Scottish Parliament has debated the importance of EU membership on a number of occasions, and there has been a strong consensus that continued EU membership matters to Scotland. An in/out referendum is now an inevitability, so we must continue to spell out the case for Scotland’s EU membership, going forward. In making that positive case, we will ensure that the facts are set out in order to tackle head on the unfounded fears and smears of those who want to see an EU exit for the UK, as they present them from a narrow isolationist position.

The First Minister was in Brussels last week, where she set out Scotland’s commitment to the EU in a speech to the European Policy Centre. Central to the First Minister’s argument for membership was that, as a country of 5 million people, we understand that we cannot act in isolation and that partnership among independent states is essential for progress, so the fundamental vision of the EU—of independent nations working together for a common good—appeals to us.

Co-operation is critical to success in the EU. In many areas, delivering the greater good can be successful only when 28 member states act together. It seems to be hopelessly optimistic to conclude that member states acting alone could deliver significant emissions reductions in the fight against climate change, or that they could take forward plans to develop a North Sea grid that will one day allow countries that border the North Sea to trade renewable energy.

The EU must look outward and act globally, or Europe will become the old continent of the past when the rest of the world moves on without it. Of course, the immediate economic arguments that support membership remain critical and cannot be overstated. Membership places our businesses within the world’s largest economy, whose 500 million citizens enjoy some of the highest standards of living on the globe.

About 20 million businesses operate in the EU single market supplying goods and services to consumers and businesses both in the EU and on the global market. The EU is a vital export market for Scottish firms; it accounted for almost half of Scotland’s international exports in 2013, and is worth a massive £12.9 billion each year. It has been estimated that those exports support more than 300,000 jobs.

Ernst & Young published a survey last month that confirmed that Scotland has become the most successful part of the UK outside London for attracting inward investment projects. Much of that is due to the skills of our workforce and the quality of life that we can offer, but for many investors our EU membership is a vital selling point. About 40 per cent of the 2,100 foreign-owned companies in Scotland in 2013 were owned by firms that are based in the EU. Realistically, how many such investors would come to Scotland if we were to find ourselves outside the EU? Let us not forget the benefits that EU funding delivers to Scotland, including €985 million of structural funds over the period 2014-20, or the €572 million of competitive funding that was won by Scottish universities in the period 2007-13.

However, membership of the EU goes beyond the purely economic rationale. The experience of the EU and our vision for the EU is one in which we can create a more equal and more inclusive society. The Scottish Government believes strongly in a Europe that tackles the question of social justice. The EU has been at the forefront of protecting the welfare of its citizens, promoting gender equality and improved conditions for workers, and strengthening consumer rights. That is the type of EU that we must continue to develop: a vision of a European Union of members who embrace and promote human rights through the convention on human rights, rather than dismiss them or seek to refute them, and that deals collectively with humanitarian issues—for example the Mediterranean refugees—with compassion and not hostility.

I also welcome the social, cultural and economic benefits that migration from the EU delivers to Scotland’s communities. The right to freedom of movement is also of huge benefit to Scots who move to live, study and work elsewhere in the EU. We estimate that 171,000 people who were born elsewhere in the EU currently live in Scotland. Contrary to the claims that one hears elsewhere about immigration acting as a drain on our society, it is estimated by University College London that EU migrants to the UK made a net contribution to the UK of about £20 billion between 2001 and 2011. Losing such an income would cost all of us.

By being a productive EU member, we can ensure that our voice is clearly heard in the world and that we are able to shape EU laws and policies to ensure that they are of maximum benefit to our citizens. Alternatives to EU membership, such as joining the European Free Trade Association, offer no such opportunity for the UK and would transform its status from law maker to mere law taker. As the Norwegian Minister of Foreign Affairs highlighted in an interview a matter of days ago:

“In the EEA we have to implement all EU directives… we’re not around the table when they’re discussed in Brussels.”

None of us here today will be able to vote to amend the referendum bill, but that should not stop us expressing our views on it—in particular, on where it falls short of expectations. The Scottish Government believes that the bill falls short in a number of areas. The 16 and 17-year-olds who voted in our referendum proved themselves to be the engaged, thoughtful and concerned citizens we always knew they would be. The case for letting them vote in the EU referendum is overwhelming.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Tricia Marwick) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-13404, in the name of Fiona Hyslop, on the European Union referendum. 14:21
The Cabinet Secretary for Culture, Europe and External Affairs (Fiona Hyslop) SNP
Scotland has been a positive and integral part of the European Union for more than 40 years. Engagement with the European Union and its institutions has been...
Stewart Stevenson (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
Is the cabinet secretary aware that Dr Sarah Wollaston, who is the MP for Totnes in south Devon, advocated precisely that point in this morning’s debate on t...
Fiona Hyslop SNP
I am very grateful to Stewart Stevenson for that intervention and am pleased to hear what he said because I think that the case for letting 16 and 17-year-ol...
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
If Scotland votes no but the rest of the UK votes yes, how will double majority work?
Fiona Hyslop SNP
I do not think that Scotland will vote no. Indeed, if we look at the opinion polls, it is well in advance—Interruption. Presiding Officer, as long as there a...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
I think that things are under control.
Murdo Fraser (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
On the double majority, by the same logic, why were the people of Orkney and Shetland not given a veto during the independence referendum last year?
Fiona Hyslop SNP
I think that the people of Orkney and Shetland have their own issues with their current MP. However, the point is that this is a national referendum about ou...
David Stewart (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
Will the cabinet secretary give way?
Fiona Hyslop SNP
No. On timing, no date has yet been set, but it is imperative that a referendum avoids the Scottish Parliament and local elections in May 2016 and May 2017....
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green) Green
Will the cabinet secretary give way?
Fiona Hyslop SNP
I want to pursue some points on the EU reform agenda. The Scottish Government has never argued that the EU is perfect, and we set out our suggestions in “Sc...
Claire Baker (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
I am pleased to take part in the debate. It is not that long since we had a debate on Europe, but this one takes place in very different circumstances. We no...
Stewart Stevenson SNP
On 9 June 1975, after the result of the previous referendum, Mrs Thatcher said: “one cannot let this occasion pass without paying tribute to ... Winston Ch...
Claire Baker Lab
I can always depend on Stewart Stevenson to make an interesting intervention. I am not convinced that the introduction of a double majority is the way to re...
Jamie McGrigor (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
I will say a brief word about the tragic death of my fellow Highlander, Charles Kennedy. His presence will be particularly missed in the forthcoming debates ...
Christian Allard (North East Scotland) (SNP) SNP
I thank the member for taking an intervention. Yes, Britain is an outward-looking country—or it was. The European Union Referendum Bill does not say that I...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
And your point is?
Christian Allard SNP
Does that mean that I am allowed to vote in the referendum because I am allowed to vote in a parliamentary election in constituencies in Scotland?
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
Mr McGrigor, I will give you some extra time.
Jamie McGrigor Con
I do not know whether Christian Allard will be allowed to vote or not. That is my honest answer. If countries such as France, Germany and Belgium want a fed...
Willie Rennie (Mid Scotland and Fife) (LD) LD
Our country makes the biggest impression on the globe when we are open, positive, diplomatic and generous. Of course, there have been periods in history that...
Neil Findlay Lab
I ask Willie Rennie to reflect on those comments and consider how those values have affected the people of Greece.
Willie Rennie LD
The attempt to create a single market and force economies together with a single currency has flaws. However, we need to work together. If we keep Greece in ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
Appreciation of Europe, perhaps?
Willie Rennie LD
Thank you, Presiding Officer, for the wit. There are parallels for the SNP, because the issue of independence was resolved last year. The world does not rev...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
We now move to the open debate with five-minute speeches. 14:57
Christina McKelvie (Hamilton, Larkhall and Stonehouse) (SNP) SNP
The debate about the UK’s membership of Europe is in the main this, and I quote: “It is a tale Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury Signifying nothing...
Malcolm Chisholm (Edinburgh Northern and Leith) (Lab) Lab
I tend to agree with The Guardian editorial this morning that suggested that the referendum was “another chapter in the destructive Conservative psychodram...