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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 03 June 2015

03 Jun 2015 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Nursery Vouchers
Dornan, James SNP Glasgow Cathcart Watch on SPTV

Over the past months, I have seen a considerable number of parents who have been upset and disheartened by the way that Glasgow City Council has dealt with the partnership nurseries in Glasgow. The council must recognise that the needs of many parents and children cannot be met by local authority-run nurseries and that it should be doing much more to ensure a wider availability of nursery provision. There seems to have been an arbitrary dropping of funding from one year to the next for no apparent reason in many of the partnership nurseries in my constituency and, I suspect, across the city.

On the different types of nurseries and nursery provision, I want to talk about the great work that Cassiltoun Stables Nursery in Castlemilk is doing as a community-led nursery. In 2007, Cassiltoun Stables Nursery transferred from council to community ownership, and the facility has since developed into one that hosts community events, offices, training suites and, of course, a nursery.

The nursery, which opens five days a week, from 7.30 am until 6 pm, including on public holidays, is available for all. It is open during the vast majority of people’s working hours, and it solves the problem that a lot of parents have with part-time nurseries that are found to be open for only a section of the day, which, as we have already heard, makes it impossible for parents to drop their child off or pick them up, as those times will likely clash with their working hours.

Any child from just six weeks old up to the age of five can attend the Cassiltoun nursery and enjoy opportunities to develop their social skills and take part in a wide range of activities under the supervision of the excellent, professional and highly qualified staff who run the organisation, ably led by their manager Susan Palmer.

The nursery is the only nursery in Glasgow to provide a forest kindergarten for children aged three and under. That initiative works in partnership with Forestry Commission Scotland, which has helped to train the staff and has participated in activities such as walks in the forest, setting up camp, building dens, balancing on logs and sitting down for a quick drink and a snack if there is time.

Flexibility is one of the key aspects of the nursery. There is flexibility for the parents who use it and an ability to react to local circumstances. I thoroughly believe that it is a great example of a community-led nursery and a model that could be usefully utilised across Glasgow and across the country as a whole.

Unfortunately, the flexibility that is inherent in that nursery is lacking in a lot of the work that Glasgow City Council in particular is doing. Many of the constituents who have contacted me have been turned down for a place in a partnership nursery because the council will not fund that place although, as we have heard, funding is being made available from the Scottish Government. Instead, it is only offering a place in a nursery that might not be suited to the parents and, crucially, the children, for a whole number of reasons.

The services must be run for the benefit of children and parents and not for the convenience of the council. That is why I welcome the provisions of the Children and Young People (Scotland) Act 2014, which has introduced a statutory responsibility for local authorities to consult parents on the flexibility that they require in nursery provision, as well as the commitment to look further into how we gather data around nursery provision to ensure an increasing level of flexibility and choice. From discussions with parents, it is clear that flexibility is key in nursery provision.

Instead it is only offering a place in a nursery that might not be suited to the parents and, crucially, the children, for a whole number of reasons.

Those services must be run for the benefit of children and parents and not for the convenience of the council. That is why I welcome the provisions of the Children and Young People (Scotland) Act 2014, which has introduced a statutory responsibility for local authorities to consult parents on the flexibility that they require in nursery provision as well as introduced the commitment to look further into how we gather data around nursery provision to ensure an increasing level of flexibility and choice. From discussions with parents, it is clear that flexibility is key in nursery provision.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith) Lab
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-13312, in the name of Liz Smith, on nursery vouchers. Unfortunately we have already had to inform a membe...
Liz Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
On 20 November last year, in her first First Minister’s question time, Nicola Sturgeon gave a very firm commitment that her door would always be “open for se...
Bob Doris (Glasgow) (SNP) SNP
The member may be aware that Glasgow City Council runs a nursery application management system, which registers any child at a partnership nursery where ther...
Liz Smith Con
That is only half the story. Registrations also include children on waiting lists, and they could be on more than one list. Those children do not have the en...
The Minister for Children and Young People (Fiona McLeod) SNP
I welcome this timely debate, which comes only 10 months after the commencement of the Government’s huge commitment to 600 hours of early learning and childc...
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD
I very much welcome the steps that the minister has outlined. She will be aware that, although the Liberal Democrats welcome the move in relation to disadvan...
Fiona McLeod SNP
Mr McArthur knows, from our debate in committee yesterday, that the extension to 15 per cent of two-year-olds last year targeted the children of parents who ...
Liz Smith Con
I have listened carefully to the minister. She recently provided a response to my written question in which she said that the model on which the Government’s...
Fiona McLeod SNP
I refer Liz Smith to that parliamentary answer. She is right that we took our work from last year with the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities and our p...
Cara Hilton (Dunfermline) (Lab) Lab
Transforming childcare is certainly one of the most important challenges that we face. As a mum of three young children, it is an issue close to my heart, so...
Fiona McLeod SNP
I do not deny that we do not yet have full flexibility in the system, but does Ms Hilton agree that we are 10 months into what is a huge programme of improve...
Cara Hilton Lab
Yes, but we are talking about a pledge that was made back in 2007, so the Government has had plenty of time to get things right. The reality is that parents ...
Liz Smith Con
Will the member give way?
Cara Hilton Lab
Yes.
Liz Smith Con
Does the member accept that that is exactly what is happening in the Labour and Scottish National Party-led City of Edinburgh Council? Does she support that?
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
You are approaching your final minute, Ms Hilton.
Cara Hilton Lab
That may well be the case, but the concept of vouchers for public services could be a slippery slope. More discussion is necessary. It is certainly not an id...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
We come to the open debate. We are very tight for time, so speeches should be of four minutes. 16:14
Bob Doris (Glasgow) (SNP) SNP
First of all, I should say that I have met the fair funding for our kids campaign on a number of occasions and have engaged directly with many of the issues ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
Mr Doris, could you move your microphone up? I am having difficulty hearing you.
Bob Doris SNP
That is not something that I am usually told, Presiding Officer. I am happy to speak louder. There have been significant and profound advances in childcare ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
You are in your final minute.
Bob Doris SNP
There is a concern that local authorities—in this instance, Glasgow—would sometimes rather see a local authority nursery place sit empty in order to save cas...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
Could you draw to a close, please?
Bob Doris SNP
I will, Presiding Officer. My point is that vouchers are not the way to go, because the funding should always follow the child. However, we have to increase ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
I am sorry, but you must close.
Bob Doris SNP
—we can do it right across Scotland.
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
I am afraid that I will have to cut members off if they do not keep to their four minutes. 16:18
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD
I thank Mary Scanlon for her very generous remarks in the previous debate about Charles Kennedy, following his sudden and untimely death. He was a gifted pol...
James Dornan (Glasgow Cathcart) (SNP) SNP
Over the past months, I have seen a considerable number of parents who have been upset and disheartened by the way that Glasgow City Council has dealt with t...