Committee
Local Government and Regeneration Committee 20 May 2015
20 May 2015 · S4 · Local Government and Regeneration Committee
Item of business
Air Weapons and Licensing (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
I apologise to you, convener, to the committee and to the cabinet secretary and his team for the fact that amendment 85 was lodged too late to allow evidence to be taken at stage 1 or to allow for a prolonged period of consideration. The committee will be aware that I have introduced a fairly comprehensive member’s bill on alcohol issues and it has been allocated to the Health and Sport Committee. The issues that my member’s bill deals with were arrived at after the usual consultation process. However, after a helpful meeting with the Cabinet Secretary for Health, Wellbeing and Sport and, at her suggestion, I have lodged a number of the sections of my bill as amendments to the Air Weapons and Licensing (Scotland) Bill. Amendment 85, which is the first of those amendments, aims to enhance local people’s ability to influence alcohol licensing decisions. In particular, it would strengthen the arrangements for consultations on applications for a premises licence or a variation to such a licence, except for minor variations. The proposal arose from two sources. The first was communications with constituents who wish to have greater involvement in the licensing process, particularly with respect to variations and extensions of licences. Secondly, there was the experience in New Zealand of consulting communities in which the residents who might be affected more than the general public are given the opportunity to object. At present, under the Licensing (Scotland) Act 2005, which I will come back to in due course, a licensing board must consult people who occupy land immediately adjacent to the premises in question—that is, within 4m of the premises that are under consideration. Separately, the board must consult any community council whose area includes the premises. Amendment 85 would require boards to consult local residents within a much larger area where there is no community council in the relevant area or where the relevant community council is inactive. A 2013 Scottish Government survey showed that 84 per cent of the 1,370 community councils in Scotland are deemed to be active but those that are deemed to be inactive are much more likely to be located in areas of deprivation. Although the core of the amendment is to give greater rights to citizens, especially those in deprived areas, it would also extend the consultation period from 21 days to 42 days for active community councils and for the wider consultation that is proposed in the earlier part of the amendment. Community councils are unlikely to meet more than once a month, and they can sometimes meet less often at certain times of the year. The amendment would allow more time for consultation. In considering my member’s bill, I considered a more stringent set of measures that would follow more closely the New Zealand model whereby new licences would have to be reapplied for after one year and then every three years thereafter. However, given the current economic situation for the on-licence trade, and despite the fact that constraints on alcohol consumption are best achieved through reducing availability along with taking pricing measures, I have limited the amendment to the modest proposals to empower communities that are not empowered by a community council and to strengthen the ability of community councils by increasing their time to respond. Half of the respondents to my proposal were in general agreement. The industry does not favour the increases in consultation, as it believes that alcohol licensing forums and the existing law provide for sufficient consultation. However, alcohol licensing forums have limited representation and might not have representation from the area that is under consideration. I reiterate that we need to empower communities who feel that they are disempowered by the current arrangements. Amendment 85 is a proportionate approach and is backed by the British Medical Association and Alcohol Focus Scotland. I move amendment 85.
In the same item of business
The Convener (Kevin Stewart)
SNP
Good morning and welcome to the 15th meeting in 2015 of the Local Government and Regeneration Committee. If you wish to use tablet devices or mobile phones d...
The Convener
SNP
Amendment 85, in the name of Dr Richard Simpson, is in a group on its own.
Dr Richard Simpson (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Lab
I apologise to you, convener, to the committee and to the cabinet secretary and his team for the fact that amendment 85 was lodged too late to allow evidence...
The Convener
SNP
Obviously, the committee has not taken evidence on any part of the amendment.
The Cabinet Secretary for Justice (Michael Matheson)
SNP
I am grateful to Richard Simpson for lodging amendment 85, which relates to expanding the notification requirement in relation to premises and major variatio...
The Convener
SNP
I invite Dr Simpson to wind up and to press or withdraw his amendment.
Dr Simpson
Lab
I thank the cabinet secretary for his considered and helpful reply. It is timely that we should review the regulations governing the whole process. Availabil...
The Convener
SNP
Amendment 38, in the name of the cabinet secretary, is grouped with amendments 39 to 42 and 44 to 48.
Michael Matheson
SNP
The amendments in this group relate to the fit-and-proper-person test. Many stakeholders have criticised the Licensing (Scotland) Act 2005 for not including ...
The Convener
SNP
Amendment 43, in the name of the cabinet secretary, is grouped with amendments 49, 57, 75, 77 and 78.
Michael Matheson
SNP
These amendments amend the arrangements for the transfer of a premises licence in the alcohol licensing regime. Stakeholders have criticised the current pro...
The Convener
SNP
Amendment 86, in the name of Dr Richard Simpson, is in a group on its own.
Dr Simpson
Lab
Amendment 86 deals in essence with the question of advertising of alcohol. It does so mainly through inserting new sections 122A, 122C and 122D, which deal w...
The Convener
SNP
No other members wish to enter the debate. I say once again that we took no evidence on this issue at stage 1. I call the cabinet secretary.
Michael Matheson
SNP
I am grateful to Dr Simpson for taking us through amendment 86 which, among other things, seeks to restrict the advertising of alcohol near premises that are...
Dr Simpson
Lab
I again thank the cabinet secretary for what must be his initial views, as the amendment was submitted only very recently. I concur with him that the proposa...
The Convener
SNP
Amendment 82, in the name of Cameron Buchanan, is grouped with amendments 50 to 52.
Cameron Buchanan (Lothian) (Con)
Con
Amendment 82 seeks to remove section 54(2)(a), which would amend section 7(2) of the 2005 act to say that a licensing board “may determine that the whole of...
Michael Matheson
SNP
I am grateful for Mr Buchanan’s comments on his amendment. Overprovision is a valuable tool by which a licensing board can prevent new licensed premises from...
Cameron Buchanan
Con
I am disappointed that the cabinet secretary does not think that the restriction is too much. It will have a detrimental effect on economic development. It i...
The Convener
SNP
The question is, that amendment 82 be agreed to. Are we agreed? Members: No.
The Convener
SNP
There will be a division. For Buchanan, Cameron (Lothian) (Con) Against Adamson, Clare (Central Scotland) (SNP) Coffey, Willie (Kilmarnock and Irvine...
The Convener
SNP
The result of the division is: For 1, Against 5, Abstentions 0. Amendment 82 disagreed to. Amendments 50 to 52 moved—Michael Matheson—and agreed to. Secti...
The Convener
SNP
Amendment 87, in the name of John Wilson, is grouped with amendments 88 to 90.
John Wilson (Central Scotland) (Ind)
Ind
I put on record my appreciation to Alcohol Focus Scotland for its suggestions on amendment 87. The amendment would insert a proposed new section 9B in the 20...
Michael Matheson
SNP
I am grateful to Mr Wilson for lodging the amendments and I am certainly sympathetic to the views that he expressed on an annual report; I am also mindful of...
The Convener
SNP
Will you take an intervention, please? Will you indicate the timescale for the consultation and reporting back? The committee has a great interest in this area.
Michael Matheson
SNP
As I was just about to say, I ask Mr Wilson to withdraw his amendment with a view to a suitable stage 3 amendment being drafted that will be informed by enga...
Alex Rowley (Cowdenbeath) (Lab)
Lab
Does the minister accept that there needs to be more openness and transparency in engaging with the public in the licensing process so that they get a better...
Michael Matheson
SNP
There is great merit in that. We need to manage that against the burden that is placed on licensing boards in undertaking reporting. That is why I want to co...