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Meeting of the Parliament 13 May 2015

13 May 2015 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Scottish Apprenticeship Week
Griffin, Mark Lab Central Scotland Watch on SPTV

I welcome the opportunity to speak in this debate on Scottish apprenticeship week. The commission on developing Scotland’s young workforce rightly highlighted the need for us to do all that we can to ensure that apprenticeships and vocational education receive the parity with other forms of education that they deserve. Not everyone is suited to further or higher education, and not even all those who are want to pursue that career pathway. It is, therefore, right that we take the opportunity this afternoon and throughout the next week to do all that we can to show how important and valuable an apprenticeship is.

In Scotland, there seems to be a level of snobbery when it comes to the aspirations that we have for our young people. When children are growing up, their parents or guardians dream of their going to university one day. I went to university after completing my sixth year at school, along with a number of my friends. When we were in second year at uni, only halfway through, our friends who had left school after their fourth year to start an apprenticeship were fully qualified and had been earning for four years.

I do not know anyone who did not complete their apprenticeship, but I know plenty of people who dropped out of university in the first couple of years. I do not know anyone who completed their apprenticeship who is not still working in their chosen industry, but I know plenty of people with degrees who have struggled to get a job in their chosen area. I do not know a single person who I grew up with and who went to university who now runs their own business, but I know plenty of people who completed their apprenticeships and are now successful small business owners.

Given how successful young people who complete apprenticeships can be, we need to redouble our efforts to ensure that there is equality of access for women, for people from our BME community and for disabled young people. There are clear gender inequalities in vocational education and apprenticeships. A 2013 report by the Equality and Human Rights Commission found that,

“Although men are increasingly moving into ‘traditionally female’ apprenticeship programmes, there is no evidence of an increase of women entering ‘traditionally male’ apprenticeships”.

That is a worrying statement. If the trend continues, the only possible outcome will be that the gender gap between male and female apprenticeship entrants, which sits at 59 per cent male and 41 per cent female, will grow wider.

There is also a massive disparity in the number of disabled young people who start an apprenticeship. Around 8 per cent of the population is disabled, but the percentage of modern apprentices reporting a disability has not even reached a single per cent in any of the past five years. I ask the minister in her closing speech to say how Skills Development Scotland plans to grow that number in order to encourage disabled young people, and how it will encourage employers to hire more disabled people.

The Equality and Human Rights Commission also commented:

“we need to harness the talents of all of Scotland’s people ... we are missing a trick by failing to maximise the potential of all Scotland’s people. We believe that the Government needs to demand greater effort from their contractors to drive up the representation of ethnic minorities and disabled people”.

The focus needs to shift from what young disabled people cannot do to what they can do, to take advantage of their talents and skills.

It has become clear to people in my generation, when we see how successful our peers who have completed apprenticeships have been, that we will not be dreaming purely of academic futures for our children, but we will be telling the stories of our friends who have completed apprenticeships and gone on to be successful business owners. We must do the work right now to ensure that our young women as well as our young men are encouraged to pursue an apprenticeship in any field, and that we are not locking out disabled or BME young people from one of the best opportunities that they will have in pursuing a career.

I support the motion and Siobhan McMahon’s amendment.

16:12  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith) Lab
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-13112, in the name of Roseanna Cunningham, on Scottish apprenticeship week. Members who wish to speak sho...
The Cabinet Secretary for Fair Work, Skills and Training (Roseanna Cunningham) SNP
Thank you, Presiding Officer. I see the look in your eye and I will try to finish my speech in a little less time than that. Today is an opportunity to prom...
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD
What the cabinet secretary said about having to overcome societal norms is correct. The cabinet secretary will be aware of the fairly significant discrepan...
Roseanna Cunningham SNP
We are looking at the issue very carefully because the difference is significant and we need to understand how it has come about. It will not have happened o...
Siobhan McMahon (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I thank the cabinet secretary and the Government for holding this debate to celebrate Scottish apprenticeship week, and I welcome the money that the cabinet ...
Mike MacKenzie (Highlands and Islands) (SNP) SNP
As the person—I think—who trained the first female joiner in Argyll well over 20 years ago, I note, as I am sure Liam McArthur will confirm, that Orkney Isla...
Siobhan McMahon Lab
Yes, I totally agree, but, depressingly, the example that the member gave is just one in 20 years. I know that that was supposed to be positive, but we have ...
Mary Scanlon (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
I will continue on the theme of common purpose and agreement. We, too welcome the debate, which takes place as we approach Scottish apprenticeship week and w...
The Minister for Youth and Women’s Employment (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
Will the member take a brief intervention?
The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
The member is in her final minute.
Mary Scanlon Con
I am running out of time—sorry. Another concern is that, although I welcome the Government’s announcements on modern apprenticeship starts, we need to look ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
We move to the open debate with six-minute speeches. I call on Gordon MacDonald, followed by Iain Gray. We are very tight for time today. 15:48
Gordon MacDonald (Edinburgh Pentlands) (SNP) SNP
The focus for too long, across not just Scotland but also the United Kingdom, has been the view of some parents and educationists that the only path to a suc...
Iain Gray (East Lothian) (Lab) Lab
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The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
You must draw to a close, please.
Iain Gray Lab
It is also true that the route through night school that my dad followed is now completely closed because of the changes in our college sector. If we really...
George Adam (Paisley) (SNP) SNP
I welcome this debate, which takes place in the build-up to next week’s Scottish apprenticeship week. Over the years, I have met many of the training organi...
Mark Griffin (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I welcome the opportunity to speak in this debate on Scottish apprenticeship week. The commission on developing Scotland’s young workforce rightly highlighte...
Nigel Don (Angus North and Mearns) (SNP) SNP
It is amazing how quickly apprenticeship week comes around each year. I am looking forward once again to hosting an event in the Parliament. It takes place n...
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD
As other members have done, I welcome the fact that we are having this debate in the run-up to Scottish apprenticeship week. In that context, I very much loo...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
You must close, please.
Liam McArthur LD
The Government has a decent story to tell on modern apprenticeships, but as the Equality and Human Rights Commission has observed: “we are missing a trick b...
Dennis Robertson (Aberdeenshire West) (SNP) SNP
We are here to celebrate the opportunities for people who are going into apprenticeships. I have listened very carefully to other members on areas in which o...
Hanzala Malik (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
It is a pleasure to talk about Scottish apprenticeship week 2015. I am glad to see that the target set for 20,000 modern apprenticeship starts each year is o...
Roseanna Cunningham SNP
I listened carefully to Hanzala Malik’s comments and I understand that, although he welcomes some things, he has some concerns and criticisms. I would like t...
Hanzala Malik Lab
I could give the cabinet secretary so many. If the Presiding Officer gave me the time, I could give her examples all day.
Roseanna Cunningham SNP
Can he give me one thing?
Hanzala Malik Lab
To satisfy her appetite I will give her one thing that the Government can do. It could create an organisation with a structure that speaks to young minority ...
Liz Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
I reiterate our support for the Scottish Government’s motion and the priority that is placed on this very important issue. I add my support for Mary Scanlon’...
Roseanna Cunningham SNP
We have not covered all the relevant issues, because there has not been time in this debate about apprenticeships, but would the member accept that the growt...