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Meeting of the Parliament 13 May 2015

13 May 2015 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Scottish Apprenticeship Week
Scanlon, Mary Con Highlands and Islands Watch on SPTV

I will continue on the theme of common purpose and agreement. We, too welcome the debate, which takes place as we approach Scottish apprenticeship week and which gives us a chance to highlight the work that has been done, the opportunities that have been gained and the life chances that have been enhanced, and to look at how much more we can do. That includes ensuring that modern apprenticeships are open to all who can benefit from them. I, too, will be doing a visit next week. We support the Government motion and the Labour amendment, and I trust that our amendment will be taken positively and constructively, as it is written. The intention is to improve the accessibility of modern apprenticeships for all.

I will mention the number of male and female apprenticeships, and not just in relation to occupational segregation. At level 2, the numbers of male and female apprentices are almost equal; at level 3, there are about 50 per cent more males than females; at level 4, there are three times more males than females; and, at level 5, there are 10 times more males than females. That needs to be looked at. The issue is not just about culture or occupational segregation; it is about the level of achievement.

I heard what the cabinet secretary said about the disabled, and I welcome the £500,000 to address equality of opportunity. In England, almost 8 per cent of apprenticeships are undertaken by people with a declared disability, whereas the figure in Scotland is less than 1 per cent—in fact, it is 0.7 per cent. I welcome the fact that that issue will be looked at. I also welcome the commitment to consider what support can be given, where appropriate, to ensure that modern apprenticeships are open to disabled people.

There can be no doubt that the abolition of employers’ national insurance contributions for apprenticeships aged under 25 is a significant positive step towards incentivising employers to recruit more apprentices. I expect that members across the chamber will welcome that initiative.

At last week’s meeting of the cross-party group on colleges and universities, we heard of considerable good practice, including the articulation from apprentice training and higher national certificates to second-year university. That can be achieved by colleges and universities working more closely to ensure that second-year students who come from further education and apprenticeships are at the same starting point in terms of knowledge, experience and qualifications, and means that training does not always end with an apprenticeship and can continue.

Edinburgh College’s briefing paper highlights its aim to introduce apprenticeships in growing industries such as IT, energy, life sciences and finance, and in management. I welcome that, particularly given last year’s Audit Scotland report, which stated that there was very little correlation between modern apprenticeships and the growth industries in Scotland. I welcome that from Edinburgh College; I also think that SDS could do more.

In its briefing, Lockheed Martin stated that there is currently a shortage of young people entering the digital technology industry. That came with a warning that Scotland could lose out on huge economic benefits to our nation if it does not have a stream of well-qualified young people going into the industry. We have to listen to employers.

I have to say that I especially like Asda’s briefing, which stated that

“we hire for attitude and train for skill”.

We should do more to value apprenticeships and, indeed, jobs in the retail and hospitality sectors, given the huge numbers that those sectors employ. The fact that Asda’s chief executive, Andy Clarke, began his retail career aged 17 as a supermarket trolley attendant is proof that Asda does not just train for a few months but provides a proper career path.

Much good work is being done—on foundation apprenticeships, for example—but there are also concerns. One of my concerns is that, in Scotland, 93,000 young people aged between 16 and 24 are not in education, employment or training. We need to know what is being done to target that group, whose number increased by 3,000 in 2013.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith) Lab
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-13112, in the name of Roseanna Cunningham, on Scottish apprenticeship week. Members who wish to speak sho...
The Cabinet Secretary for Fair Work, Skills and Training (Roseanna Cunningham) SNP
Thank you, Presiding Officer. I see the look in your eye and I will try to finish my speech in a little less time than that. Today is an opportunity to prom...
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD
What the cabinet secretary said about having to overcome societal norms is correct. The cabinet secretary will be aware of the fairly significant discrepan...
Roseanna Cunningham SNP
We are looking at the issue very carefully because the difference is significant and we need to understand how it has come about. It will not have happened o...
Siobhan McMahon (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I thank the cabinet secretary and the Government for holding this debate to celebrate Scottish apprenticeship week, and I welcome the money that the cabinet ...
Mike MacKenzie (Highlands and Islands) (SNP) SNP
As the person—I think—who trained the first female joiner in Argyll well over 20 years ago, I note, as I am sure Liam McArthur will confirm, that Orkney Isla...
Siobhan McMahon Lab
Yes, I totally agree, but, depressingly, the example that the member gave is just one in 20 years. I know that that was supposed to be positive, but we have ...
Mary Scanlon (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
I will continue on the theme of common purpose and agreement. We, too welcome the debate, which takes place as we approach Scottish apprenticeship week and w...
The Minister for Youth and Women’s Employment (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
Will the member take a brief intervention?
The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
The member is in her final minute.
Mary Scanlon Con
I am running out of time—sorry. Another concern is that, although I welcome the Government’s announcements on modern apprenticeship starts, we need to look ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
We move to the open debate with six-minute speeches. I call on Gordon MacDonald, followed by Iain Gray. We are very tight for time today. 15:48
Gordon MacDonald (Edinburgh Pentlands) (SNP) SNP
The focus for too long, across not just Scotland but also the United Kingdom, has been the view of some parents and educationists that the only path to a suc...
Iain Gray (East Lothian) (Lab) Lab
The story of my family and of what happened in the generation between my father and me is—I think—a pretty typical one for the time. My dad left school at 14...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
You must draw to a close, please.
Iain Gray Lab
It is also true that the route through night school that my dad followed is now completely closed because of the changes in our college sector. If we really...
George Adam (Paisley) (SNP) SNP
I welcome this debate, which takes place in the build-up to next week’s Scottish apprenticeship week. Over the years, I have met many of the training organi...
Mark Griffin (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I welcome the opportunity to speak in this debate on Scottish apprenticeship week. The commission on developing Scotland’s young workforce rightly highlighte...
Nigel Don (Angus North and Mearns) (SNP) SNP
It is amazing how quickly apprenticeship week comes around each year. I am looking forward once again to hosting an event in the Parliament. It takes place n...
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD
As other members have done, I welcome the fact that we are having this debate in the run-up to Scottish apprenticeship week. In that context, I very much loo...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
You must close, please.
Liam McArthur LD
The Government has a decent story to tell on modern apprenticeships, but as the Equality and Human Rights Commission has observed: “we are missing a trick b...
Dennis Robertson (Aberdeenshire West) (SNP) SNP
We are here to celebrate the opportunities for people who are going into apprenticeships. I have listened very carefully to other members on areas in which o...
Hanzala Malik (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
It is a pleasure to talk about Scottish apprenticeship week 2015. I am glad to see that the target set for 20,000 modern apprenticeship starts each year is o...
Roseanna Cunningham SNP
I listened carefully to Hanzala Malik’s comments and I understand that, although he welcomes some things, he has some concerns and criticisms. I would like t...
Hanzala Malik Lab
I could give the cabinet secretary so many. If the Presiding Officer gave me the time, I could give her examples all day.
Roseanna Cunningham SNP
Can he give me one thing?
Hanzala Malik Lab
To satisfy her appetite I will give her one thing that the Government can do. It could create an organisation with a structure that speaks to young minority ...
Liz Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
I reiterate our support for the Scottish Government’s motion and the priority that is placed on this very important issue. I add my support for Mary Scanlon’...
Roseanna Cunningham SNP
We have not covered all the relevant issues, because there has not been time in this debate about apprenticeships, but would the member accept that the growt...