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Public Petitions Committee 31 March 2015

31 Mar 2015 · S4 · Public Petitions Committee
Item of business
New Petitions
Disabled-friendly Housing (PE1554)
Jacq Kelly (Leonard Cheshire Disability) Watch on SPTV
Our petition calls on the Scottish Government to make lifetime home standards the standard for ordinary builds and for 10 per cent of those builds to be wheelchair accessible. Lifetime homes are a straightforward concept—basically, they are homes that people should be able to live in for their entire lives. They are not the same as completely accessible homes but are homes that can be adapted quite simply at relatively low cost—usually about £1,100. At the time of building a home, the builder thinks about adaptations that might be necessary in the future. There is a misconception that there are disabled people and non-disabled people. Our view is that anybody could be disabled in the future and they might not want to move out of their home because they want a good quality of life. The principles of lifetime homes are fairly straightforward. They are about inclusivity, accessibility, adaptability, sustainability and good value. They have accessible doorways that people can fit a wheelchair through even if the people who are living in them are not wheelchair users at the time. That means that, if they become wheelchair users at some point in the future, it will not cost a huge amount of money to change the doorways to enable them to remain in their homes. Lifetime homes also have reinforced walls so that grab rails can be installed. Grab rails are very important for allowing people to stay in their homes if they acquire a disability, but many walls are too flimsy for them and a grab rail will come straight down. Putting in a reinforced wall at the beginning, at the point of building a home, is much cheaper than making the adaptation later, not least because that is the sort of thing that leads to people having to go into residential care when that is not their choice or having a longer stay in hospital when they would like to get back into their home. The other week, we had the announcement on health and social care integration from the Cabinet Secretary for Health, Wellbeing and Sport. The extra £200 million that she announced towards that was welcome, but we know that one of the major factors in integrating health and social care properly is the availability of accessible, adequate housing. We have heard stories about people having to live in the downstairs of their homes and wash in their kitchen sink, for example, because they do not have a bathroom that could be adapted for a wheelchair to fit into. Stephan Thomson will talk a little about his experience of that after I have finished. I will explain why we chose to petition on this particular issue. I know that you have our submission, but I will give you a brief overview of our research. We found that, in the UK, one in six people with disabilities and half of all children with disabilities live in homes that do not meet their needs. Almost three quarters of people with disabilities in Scotland report that they live in a home with an inaccessible front door. At the current very slow rate of increase, it would take 62 years for there to be enough wheelchair-accessible houses for the people in Scotland who need them. We just do not think that it is acceptable that anybody has to wash in their kitchen sink, is unable to get in and out of their house, is confined to it because the front door is inaccessible or has to go into residential care when that would not be their choice. There is nothing wrong with residential care when it is somebody’s choice, but 35 per cent of our residential service managers say that they have at least one person in their care home who would have chosen not to be there if they could have stayed in their own home. We think that that is completely unacceptable. That is the personal cost to the individual; there is also a knock-on effect for the public purse. A study that we did recently—you will not have seen it yet as it is new research that we have just completed, but I can send it to you—shows that in January alone Scottish general practitioners spent the equivalent of four and a half working months, which equates to 939 hours, dealing with disabled and older patients because of injuries and illnesses caused by living in inaccessible homes. If that is true of all GPs in Scotland, it amounts to 27.3 million hours every year. The £1,100 figure looks tiny in comparison. Stephan Thomson will talk about his experiences, and then we will be happy to take questions. You might want to ask about the lifetime home standard and what is covered by Scottish building regulations, because some things are covered. The Scottish Government is looking into amending those regulations, but we think that that could make homes less accessible in the longer term.

In the same item of business

The Convener Lab
The final new petition is PE1554, by Jacq Kelly, on behalf of Leonard Cheshire Disability, on improving the provision of disabled-friendly housing. Members h...
Jacq Kelly (Leonard Cheshire Disability)
Our petition calls on the Scottish Government to make lifetime home standards the standard for ordinary builds and for 10 per cent of those builds to be whee...
Stephan Thomson
I live in a house that is supposed to be wheelchair adapted, but it is actually just a wheelchair-friendly house. As for the point that Jacq Kelly made about...
Jacq Kelly
Stephan is talking about cost. The estimated cost of one hip fracture caused by somebody falling over is £28,000, which puts the £1,100 cost of adaptation in...
Stephan Thomson
It is true that, when you are in a wheelchair, the hallways and doors in a house are not wide enough and you end up damaging your property because you bash i...
The Convener Lab
I thank Jacq Kelly for her presentation and Stephan Thomson for highlighting some of his personal difficulties and experiences with his house. Do members hav...
David Torrance SNP
Good morning. I fully support your petition. Should local authorities play a greater role when replacing existing council housing with accessible new builds?...
Jacq Kelly
Definitely. We are finding that councils need to be compelled to do that, because they are not doing it. There are two things to mention. First, we have fou...
John Wilson Ind
Good morning. Ms Kelly, you mentioned accessible homes, but the definition of accessible can vary widely. Stephan Thomson gave a good example. His house woul...
Jacq Kelly
In the campaign that we at Leonard Cheshire are running, we have spoken about disabled-friendly houses, which are different from accessible homes. Stephan Th...
John Wilson Ind
Have you had any discussions with house builders? In such debates, we usually end up talking about council or housing association provision but not getting i...
Jacq Kelly
We have had no such discussions yet, but we have pinpointed two private house builders that are building disabled-friendly homes out of choice because they s...
Angus MacDonald SNP
The petition strikes me as one of the most commonsense petitions to have come before the committee since I joined it. I was interested to hear the comments a...
Jacq Kelly
We are not falling over those examples, to be honest with you. On your point about the building standards, I was looking at the handbook this morning. It is...
The Convener Lab
I see that there are no other questions from members. In that case, what action is the committee prepared to take?
Kenny MacAskill SNP
We should write to the Government. As Angus MacDonald said, a lot of this is common sense. If action was taken to ensure that walls are capable of taking gra...
David Torrance SNP
I agree. It was mentioned that two companies—one in Fife and one in Glasgow—are building disabled-friendly homes. We should write to them, as it would be int...
Jacq Kelly
Stephan Thomson wants to make a point about good practice that he knows about.
Stephan Thomson
A friend of mine has a house that is designed for wheelchairs. I have been into her home, which is an absolutely amazing house. All the kitchen units and wor...
David Torrance SNP
Could we write to all the local authorities to see what percentage of new-build housing is disabled friendly?
The Convener Lab
Yes. Before we return to the action points, I have a question for Jacq Kelly. What is the least disabled-friendly housing? Is it new builds or old housing, o...
Jacq Kelly
They are probably both still the same, although that might depend on where people are. I imagine that, in an old city such as Edinburgh, the old builds are p...
The Convener Lab
Colleagues, do we agree to write to the Scottish Government, Local Authority Building Standards Scotland, the Lifetime Homes foundation and the Convention of...
John Wilson Ind
I suggest that we also write to Homes for Scotland, as the trade body for house builders, and to the Scottish Federation of Housing Associations, as the body...
The Convener Lab
I have just been advised that, if we write to all the local authorities, there will be no requirement to write to COSLA. Do colleagues agree to take the appr...
The Convener Lab
I thank Jacq Kelly and Stephan Thomson for attending. Meeting closed at 11:16.