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Meeting of the Parliament 02 April 2015

02 Apr 2015 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Prisoners (Control of Release) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Ferguson, Patricia Lab Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn Watch on SPTV

I absolutely accept that, but it is still quite a strange way to legislate. The committee and Parliament should really have had those materials at stage 1 if the committee was to do the job that we all expect it to do. I have no hesitation in saying that I know that the Justice Committee, under the convenership of Christine Grahame, will do a fantastic job, but it should not have to do it in that way.

Victims and communities need to know that, if a sentence of four years is handed down, the prisoner will be in prison and communities will be protected from that individual for that length of time. I do not disagree at all with the Scottish Government on that point, but victims and communities also need to know that when that person has been released from prison, everything possible has been done and will continue to be done to prevent them from reoffending.

The bill must put in place systems to help to manage the transition that every prisoner has to make back into their community at the end of a sentence that they will have served in full. The offender has to leave prison equipped with enough skill and self-awareness to be able, with support, to find a productive role in society once again. I acknowledge entirely that that is the difficult part. Rehabilitation is not easy, but it must not be seen as an add-on; it must be seen as an essential part of a successful justice system. If rehabilitation is to work, it must surely continue as tailored support when a prisoner is released.

I congratulate the Justice Committee on its work on the bill and its carefully considered report. It was right to ask for clarification of the Scottish Government’s intentions. It is also right to want to know what the minimum period of supervision upon release will be and that any guaranteed minimum period will be sufficient to allow effective post-release work with the offender to take place. That must be accompanied by continuous risk assessment.

In his opening comments, the cabinet secretary quite understandably asked for views on the length of the mandatory period. It is clear that he is still considering that, and that is to be welcomed. My view is that the period must surely depend on the nature of the crime and that it must be proportionate to the sentence. I am not sure that we can say that six months or nine months is right. I think—perhaps the Justice Committee’s evidence will prove me wrong; I am happy to be proved wrong on this one—that it should be tailored to the individual, the pattern of their offending and the sentence that they have served. However, time will tell what the outcome of those deliberations is.

As we have heard, continuous monitoring will, of course, bring additional pressure to bear on the parole service and other community-based services. The question of how they are to be resourced must be properly addressed. The committee is right to press for a supplementary financial memorandum and an updated policy memorandum.

The prospect of allowing release to take place up to two days earlier to avoid a clash with the weekend makes absolutely perfect sense to me. Like many members, I am sure, I have had phone calls not just on Fridays but earlier in the week—I have had letters in advance, too—from people who were being or had been released from prison and were looking for support because they were worried about what would happen to them when they were released and about the effect on their behaviour. I very much welcome that aspect of the bill.

16:19  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith) Lab
Good afternoon. The first item of business is a debate on motion S4M-12878, in the name of Michael Matheson, on the Prisoners (Control of Release) (Scotland)...
The Cabinet Secretary for Justice (Michael Matheson) SNP
I begin by apologising for my late arrival, which was entirely my fault and responsibility. I welcome the opportunity to speak in this debate at stage 1 of ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
I call Christine Grahame to speak on behalf of the Justice Committee. 14:46
Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP) SNP
Thank you, Presiding Officer. I welcome the opportunity to speak in the debate and, as you say, I speak as the convener of the Justice Committee. I will spea...
Elaine Murray (Dumfriesshire) (Lab) Lab
I thank the clerks and the witnesses for their efforts in bringing a lot of issues to the committee’s attention during the stage 1 process. The Scottish Nat...
Margaret Mitchell (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
This stage 1 debate on the Prisoners (Control of Release) (Scotland) Bill is an important one. I thank the clerks, the convener and my fellow members of the ...
Christian Allard (North East Scotland) (SNP) SNP
Will Margaret Mitchell take an intervention?
Margaret Mitchell Con
If Mr Allard does not mind, I will make some progress. That is not a precedent that the Scottish Parliament should set or encourage, and nor is the cabinet ...
Nigel Don (Angus North and Mearns) (SNP) SNP
I speak on the bill in my capacity as convener of the Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee. Although the bill contains only one delegated power, the com...
Stewart Stevenson (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
Is it the committee’s view that that is not simply a matter in relation to this bill, but a principle that it wants to apply in similar circumstances in simi...
Nigel Don SNP
Stewart Stevenson’s point is absolutely fair. As a member of the DPLR Committee, he will accept that that is our concern. We have tried to bring principled a...
Roderick Campbell (North East Fife) (SNP) SNP
In historical terms, parole is quite recent, and the Parole Board for Scotland was set up only in 1968. Parole was subject to an important review by Lord Kin...
Jayne Baxter (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
There is little doubt that the criminal justice system in Scotland is in desperate need of reform. The aspect of that system that the bill seeks to address—s...
Christian Allard (North East Scotland) (SNP) SNP
First, I would like to thank all the Justice Committee members and the organisations and individuals who came to give evidence. It was a long session and our...
Patricia Ferguson (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (Lab) Lab
I am sorry to interrupt the member, but my reading of what the Law Society said to members was not that the 2007 act was inadequate but that, if the bill was...
Christian Allard SNP
What I said was my interpretation of what the Law Society said. As I was saying, it all comes down to implementation. If the Government has a problem with im...
Alison McInnes (North East Scotland) (LD) LD
I apologise to members in advance, as I have a sore throat. If automatic early release for long-term prisoners is to be abolished, the alternative must pass...
Gil Paterson (Clydebank and Milngavie) (SNP) SNP
I am pleased to take part in the debate as a member of the Justice Committee. The ending of automatic early release for prisoners is seen by a large cross-...
Margaret McDougall (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
As we have heard, the bill before us—which proposes to end automatic early release for sex offenders serving four years or more and other offenders serving 1...
Stewart Stevenson (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
I very much welcome the opportunity to speak on this important subject. We all know that control over the release of prisoners is a subject that has needed t...
Christina McKelvie (Hamilton, Larkhall and Stonehouse) (SNP) SNP
I am not, and never have been, a member of the Justice Committee, but looking back over the eight years that I have spent in the Parliament and the debates o...
Patricia Ferguson (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (Lab) Lab
As an MSP who is not a member of the Justice Committee and is therefore not as familiar with the systems and processes that are involved in our application o...
Christine Grahame SNP
Does the member accept that the Justice Committee will have the opportunity to take evidence on what might be substantial amendments at stage 2 if it wishes ...
Patricia Ferguson Lab
I absolutely accept that, but it is still quite a strange way to legislate. The committee and Parliament should really have had those materials at stage 1 if...
Clare Adamson (Central Scotland) (SNP) SNP
The decisions that we make as the bill goes through Parliament will affect our prison communities. A prison community is much more than the prisoners; the st...
John Finnie (Highlands and Islands) (Ind) Ind
I, too, thank the many people who gave the evidence that formed the basis of the Justice Committee’s report. I will quote straight away from one of them, Pro...
Annabel Goldie (West Scotland) (Con) Con
The debate has revealed a conundrum. People either support or oppose automatic early release. Those who support it want it; those who oppose it do not want i...
Christian Allard SNP
Will the member give way?
Annabel Goldie Con
Let me just expand my argument. As a political principle, my party’s credentials could not be clearer on the issue. In 2007, it was heartening to find that ...
Stewart Stevenson SNP
Will the member take an intervention?