Committee
Local Government and Regeneration Committee 18 March 2015
18 Mar 2015 · S4 · Local Government and Regeneration Committee
Item of business
Community Empowerment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
Good morning, and welcome to the 10th meeting in 2015 of the Local Government and Regeneration Committee. If people wish to use tablets or mobile phones during the meeting, they should please switch them to flight mode, as they may affect the broadcasting system. Committee members may consult tablets during the meeting, because we provide meeting papers in digital format. We have received apologies from Clare Adamson, and I welcome Stewart Stevenson as Clare’s substitute this morning. Agenda item 1 is the Community Empowerment (Scotland) Bill. It is day 3 of our stage 2 consideration of the bill. I welcome back Marco Biagi, the Minister for Local Government and Community Empowerment. I also welcome Alison Johnstone and Ken Macintosh. Later in the proceedings, we will also be joined by Alison McInnes. Everyone should have a copy of the bill as introduced, the latest marshalled list of amendments and the list of groupings of amendments, which sets out the amendments in the order in which they will be debated. There will be one debate on each group of amendments. I will call the member who lodged the first amendment in each group to speak to and move their amendment and to speak to all the other amendments in the group. Members who have not lodged amendments in the group but who wish to speak should indicate that by catching my attention in the usual way. If the minister has not already spoken on the group, I will invite him to contribute to the debate just before I move to the winding-up speech. The debate on each group will be concluded by my inviting the member who moved the first amendment in the group to wind up. Following the debate on each group, I will check whether the member who moved the first amendment in the group wishes to press their amendment to a vote or to withdraw it. If they wish to press it, I will put the question on that amendment. If a member wishes to withdraw their amendment after it has been moved, they must seek the committee’s agreement to do so. If any committee member objects to that, the committee must immediately move to the vote on the amendment. If any member does not want to move their amendment when I call it, they should say, “Not moved.” Please remember that any other MSP may move such an amendment. If no one moves the amendment, I will immediately call the next amendment on the marshalled list. Only committee members or their official substitutes are allowed to vote at stage 2. Voting in any division is by a show of hands, and it is important that members keep their hands clearly raised until the clerk has recorded the vote. The committee is required to indicate formally that it has considered and agreed each section of the bill, so I will put the question on each section at the appropriate point. After section 62
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The Convener (Kevin Stewart)
SNP
Good morning, and welcome to the 10th meeting in 2015 of the Local Government and Regeneration Committee. If people wish to use tablets or mobile phones duri...
The Convener
SNP
Amendment 1084, in the name of the minister, is in a group on its own.
The Minister for Local Government and Community Empowerment (Marco Biagi)
SNP
Amendment 1084 responds to the committee’s recommendation to review the legislation relating to Forestry Commission Scotland leasing land to communities for ...
The Convener
SNP
Amendment 1231, in the name of Alison Johnstone, is grouped with amendments 1232 to 1248.
Alison Johnstone (Lothian) (Green)
Green
I thank the committee for its time today, and I thank the convener for agreeing that this important issue should be considered at stage 2. I know that you ha...
Stewart Stevenson (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP)
SNP
I do not seek to pick at the underlying principle of this group of amendments, but I seek information about the implementation of that principle. I will s...
Cameron Buchanan (Lothian) (Con)
Con
I, too, am concerned about the technicalities of the bill, legal and otherwise. We discussed the issue at our group meeting, but I would have liked more time...
Willie Coffey (Kilmarnock and Irvine Valley) (SNP)
SNP
I thank Alison Johnstone for the amendments, which I am broadly supportive of. When Alison sums up, I wonder whether she might give us a little bit more clar...
Alex Rowley (Cowdenbeath) (Lab)
Lab
I support the amendments. I should say that I am a Kelty Hearts Junior Football Club supporter, but no matter what team people support, if they go regularly ...
Ken Macintosh (Eastwood) (Lab)
Lab
I also want to speak in support of amendment 1231, in the name of Alison Johnstone, and in favour of all the amendments in the group. This is about extending...
Stewart Stevenson
SNP
Will Mr Macintosh take an intervention?
Ken Macintosh
Lab
I will.
Stewart Stevenson
SNP
Would you be sympathetic to the idea that we should extend the provision to the Highland league?
Ken Macintosh
Lab
I am delighted that Stewart Stevenson wants to build on the amendments in this group before we have even accepted them, but I think that we should take it on...
Marco Biagi
SNP
I thank the members who have lodged amendments. I have heard a lot that I can agree with. The Scottish Government is extremely supportive of supporter involv...
John Wilson (Central Scotland) (Ind)
Ind
Could the minister give me a clear steer on whether he is minded not to accept the amendments today, or whether he is minded to accept them on the basis that...
Marco Biagi
SNP
Can I perhaps get to that? I was working towards it but, at this point, I want to highlight the issues with the detail. If the amendments were agreed to, the...
John Wilson
Ind
As I understand it, the grounds that some clubs use are owned by the local authorities, so there is already local authority ownership of football grounds in ...
Marco Biagi
SNP
I apologise for my slightly irreverent aside about local authority ownership of stadia in Italy. The point that I was aiming at was made effectively by the d...
Alison Johnstone
Green
I would certainly be happy to work with the minister before stage 3, but I am afraid that those commitments do not yet cover the essentials of my proposal. I...
Marco Biagi
SNP
Those are sentiments that I think we have all broadly expressed in the committee, and they certainly show a positive approach to supporter ownership that the...
Alison Johnstone
Green
If we agree in principle, and if we are as supportive as we all purport to be, we should support the amendments today and look at the technicalities before s...
The Convener
SNP
Amendment 1085, in the name of the minister, is grouped with amendments 1086, 1249 and 1250.
Marco Biagi
SNP
I was happy to lodge amendments 1085 and 1086 in response to the committee’s recommendations. As you know, the aim of the bill in relation to common good is ...
Cameron Buchanan
Con
I was going to say that amendment 1249 is a probing amendment. It is all very well that Scottish ministers can issue guidance on the management and use of a ...
Marco Biagi
SNP
I am not sure that I understand the distinction that Mr Buchanan is making between policy-based guidance and technical guidance. Policy-based guidance can be...
Cameron Buchanan
Con
I really wanted the minister to explain what form the guidance would take. I am not going to move the amendments in my name; I just want to know what form th...
Marco Biagi
SNP
All guidance is developed in partnership with everyone involved. We know that strong views have been expressed on the management and maintenance of common go...
The Convener
SNP
Amendment 1164, in the name of Ken Macintosh, is grouped with amendments 1165 to 1167, 1229, 1168, 1252 and 1230. I draw members’ attention to the informatio...
Ken Macintosh
Lab
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