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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 18 March 2015

18 Mar 2015 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
In-work Poverty

It is fair to say that, as part of the United Kingdom—we find ourselves in that situation at the moment—we need a system that is fair and sustainable.

The introduction of a citizens income is not a change to be made lightly. It will require a reform programme to replace almost all benefits apart from disability payments with a simple, regular payment to everyone—children, adults and pensioners. It will require consensus from a broad coalition of civic society, but it is a transformative idea, and the beginnings of such a system already exist with child benefit and state pensions.

This week, the Scottish Government published analysis of severe and extreme poverty that describes how people in the lowest income bands have been pushed deeper into poverty by coalition cuts. A little over an hour ago, George Osborne sat down after confirming the Tories’ ideological obsession with pursuing their programme of austerity. The UK budget has just been announced. I doubt that many of us will have digested the whole lot, but the austerity ideology is clear.

I am pleased that the issue of apprenticeship wages has been raised. Some young people up to the age of 25 are working 30 hours a week for a monthly wage packet of £327.60. The UK Government plans to raise that hourly wage by 57p, to £3.30. Any rise is welcome, but not all sectors feel that way—even that small rise has disappointed the Confederation of British Industry. I recall that, during the Economy, Energy and Tourism Committee’s inquiry into Scotland’s financial future, the then boss of CBI Scotland said:

“Inequality is an abstract term”.—[Official Report, Economy, Energy and Tourism Committee, 2 April 2014; c 4259.]

It also suggests that we are on the right track if the free-market think tank the Institute of Economic Affairs says that the Low Pay Commission is being used

“as a vehicle to reduce inequality”.

In October, the national minimum wage will be increased by 20p, to £6.70. That, too, is welcome, but is it enough? That increase has already been criticised for not tackling in-work poverty. The minimum income standard aims to define what households need in order to have a

“minimum socially acceptable standard of living”.

The reference rate that it suggests for the lowest socially acceptable standard of living is £9.20.

The Scottish Government analysis that I mentioned earlier is unequivocal. It says that, although employment remains a protection, it is

“no longer a guarantee against poverty”.

Our plans for a £10 minimum wage by 2020 are designed to really make poverty wages history. Small businesses will need support, and all businesses deserve time to plan. The change will be introduced in steps, but the days of big business paying poverty wages with the taxpayer making up the difference must stop.

Another aspect to consider is the picture across Scotland. My city of Edinburgh is at the top for paying at least the living wage but, in rural areas such as Angus and Dumfries and Galloway and in post-industrial areas such as Ayrshire, between a quarter and a third of people earn less than the living wage. We need to spread the creation of jobs throughout Scotland as well as improve public transport and childcare to ensure that people can get to work, education and training.

Of course, low wages are not the whole story, but successive Governments’ actions have allowed—even promoted—the slide into a low-skill, low-wage economy. For example, the Scottish Government gave Amazon a £4.3 million grant, with a further offer of £6.3 million. Last year, Amazon paid just £4.2 million in United Kingdom taxes, despite selling goods worth £4.3 billion. The excuse that ministers have given is that Amazon creates jobs, but let us examine that claim carefully. How many jobs were promised, compared with what has been delivered? Are those jobs well paid, satisfying and secure? Moreover, what jobs have been lost as a result of such a big company being helped to dominate the marketplace, and how comfortable are we that its profits are not recirculating in the local economy? We need investment in sustainable industries that pay decent wages, such as great-quality food producers, clean chemical sciences, the digital and creative industries, medical and life sciences, construction, engineering and the low-carbon energy industry.

We have food banks in a country with no shortage of food and fuel poverty in one of the planet’s most energy-rich countries. Let us take the steps that we need to take to redress the balance, pay all a fair wage and become the kind of Scotland that we aspire to be.

I move,

That the Parliament notes with deep concern that the majority of children and working-age adults in poverty live in working households; believes that in-work poverty has a profoundly damaging impact on Scottish society and its economy; recognises that poverty wages require to be subsidised through the welfare system in order to meet people’s most basic needs; considers that the purpose of social security should be to maintain human wellbeing, not to subsidise cheap labour for the benefit of employers and multinational corporations, and considers that the level of poverty and inequality at work must be addressed by an incoming UK Government with a £10 minimum wage by 2020, maximum ratios between highest and lowest pay within organisations, a wealth tax on the assets of the top 1% and a move toward a citizens’ income instead of the punitive and humiliating welfare system currently in place.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith) Lab
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-12678, in the name of Patrick Harvie, on an end to in-work poverty. 14:41
Alison Johnstone (Lothian) (Green) Green
I am pleased to open our debate. The Scottish Green Party is campaigning for a £10 minimum wage for all by 2020, because no one should be expected to work fo...
Nigel Don (Angus North and Mearns) (SNP) SNP
Does the member accept that many board directors can enhance their pay in many ways, including through share options and all sorts of other, unquantifiable t...
Alison Johnstone Green
That point is well made and should be taken into account. It means that directors’ wages are larger than they appear to be on their pay packet. The Greens w...
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
Would Alison Johnstone care to reflect on how full fiscal autonomy and the ripping out of £4 billion to £6 billion of public money would impact on her vision?
Alison Johnstone Green
It is fair to say that, as part of the United Kingdom—we find ourselves in that situation at the moment—we need a system that is fair and sustainable. The i...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
Many thanks. I remind members who wish to participate that they should press their request-to-speak button. 14:51
The Cabinet Secretary for Fair Work, Skills and Training (Roseanna Cunningham) SNP
In the programme for government, we set out a range of cross-portfolio policies that were aimed at reducing inequality, including actions on fair work such a...
Neil Findlay Lab
One of the issues that I have raised with the minister before is the use of umbrella contracts. Last week, the Welsh Assembly issued a policy advice note on ...
Roseanna Cunningham SNP
We saw what the Welsh Government issued, and officials are currently looking at that very carefully. We are always open to the possibility that good practice...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
I am afraid that you must draw to a close.
Roseanna Cunningham SNP
It is very important to engage across the board. It is clear that there is a great deal that can be done. By working together, we can have an impact. As a G...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
I am afraid that we are tight for time this afternoon. 14:58
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
The low-pay and insecure job culture that we see at present is like a cancer in our society. It damages people. It eats away at their pride, relationships, m...
Annabel Goldie (West Scotland) (Con) Con
People who work hard for their families, try to put some money aside and make the right choices deserve reward and the security of a decent standard of livin...
Alison Johnstone Green
I have a constituent who was asked to be both at the jobcentre and at an interview for a training course at the same time, which resulted in him having his b...
Annabel Goldie Con
That is certainly illustrative of an element of very bad practice in the system. I do not dispute that, but that is not to say that the system as a whole is ...
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green) Green
Will the member give way?
Annabel Goldie Con
No. I am pushed for time. I am sorry. Of course it is right to challenge businesses, where they are able to do so, to pay their employees fairly. The living...
Chic Brodie (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Annabel Goldie Con
I am sorry. I am pushed for time. The further increases announced by the chancellor today will mean even more money being kept by the earner. That is real h...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
We turn to the open debate. I ask for speeches of four minutes, please. 15:09
Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP) SNP
I very much identify with the tenor of the independent and Green motion. It is ironic that we are having this debate on budget day. Members can call me cynic...
Alex Johnstone (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
Will Christine Grahame take an intervention?
Christine Grahame SNP
I am in the last 30 seconds of my speech. As for the Labour amendment, I have a lot in common with Neil Findlay’s sentiments, but Labour hitched itself to ...
Neil Findlay Lab
Full fiscal autonomy.
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
Order.
Christine Grahame SNP
Labour blocked that and kept the Tories in power.
Neil Findlay Lab
Four billion.
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
Order.