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Meeting of the Parliament 17 March 2015

17 Mar 2015 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
A9 (Average-speed Cameras)
Mackay, Derek SNP Renfrewshire North and West Watch on SPTV

Road safety is of paramount importance to this Government and we are committed to reducing casualties and saving lives on roads across Scotland, including the A9. A lot of expertise on the issue has been brought to the table in the debate, along with personal experience and understanding that each accident is a tragedy for all those involved. As transport minister, I am informed every time that there is a fatality on any road in Scotland, which does not make pleasant reading, because of course lying behind each fatality is a family or community affected. That is the level of seriousness with which we approach the subject.

I, too, congratulate Mike MacKenzie on securing the debate and David Stewart for the way in which the Labour Party has engaged very helpfully in it. Even Murdo Fraser, a man renowned for his balance and modesty, contributed to the debate and engaged in the debate with an open mind. That is fair, and it is better than the closed-minded approach of some who have engaged in the debate outwith this chamber in a more opportunistic fashion.

As well as the loss of human life, there is the cost of the disruption that is caused by accidents. I commit again to the Government seeing through the dualling work on the A9 at a cost of an estimated £3 billion by 2025. That is 80 miles of work in quite challenging circumstances, but that commitment is strong, and I have to say that it is a first for a Scottish Executive or a Scottish Government to commit to those works. We will complete them as quickly as we possibly can.

Education and driver behaviour are important, and we will continue to support educational campaigns led by the road safety partnership to address issues such as inappropriate driver behaviour, including excessive speed, close following and unsafe overtaking, which contribute to a significant proportion of road accidents generally. We will do that in partnership. A range of other works is going on, not just the deployment of the average-speed cameras, but works such as new lining and signing, vegetation clearance, high-profile visible policing and targeted education campaigns.

A key point is that the average-speed cameras have been deployed based on evidence and at the points on the route with the highest accident records. Some people have called the cameras money-generating schemes, but they are not. They are about safety and they are deployed where they make the biggest difference, and the evidence tells us that they are making a difference.

In the spring of last year, 78 per cent of members of the public who were asked for their views anticipated that such cameras would be “effective” or “very effective” in making the route safer. Recent surveys and polls, such as that published in The Press and Journal, have suggested that a majority of people think that they are having a positive impact on driver behaviour. Fifty-six per cent of those surveyed by The Press and Journal felt that the average-speed cameras have had a positive effect.

I take Murdo Fraser’s point about public opinion, but I would argue that public opinion has moved as the experience has been that the cameras make a difference on the ground. The evidence from the stats that we have from the first performance figures show that excessive speeding is down, and that is often the bane of journeys between Perth and Inverness. It has been reduced by 97 per cent, and speeding overall is down from one in three vehicles to one in 20. Change of that magnitude reflects significant improvements in driver behaviour.

I have been comprehensive in my response, and I would say to Liam McArthur that we need to look at accident statistics as well. However, the figures that we have tell a positive story about how speeding has come down. I believe that the incidents and the disruption caused are also falling. Despite comments to the contrary, traffic is not diverting from the A9 on to other roads. The A9 is very much open for business, and there is better journey time reliability. I accept that there has been a slight increase for some in the average journey times, on a scale of between three and 14 minutes, but I believe that that is a price worth paying for a safer road.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
The final item of business today is a members’ business debate on motion S4M-12163, in the name of Mike MacKenzie, on average-speed cameras on the A9. The de...
Mike MacKenzie (Highlands and Islands) (SNP) SNP
I have had a particular affection for the A9 since I helped to build part of it during the long, hot summer of 1976. It was a massive improvement on the prev...
David Stewart (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
I congratulate Mike MacKenzie on bringing to the chamber tonight’s very important debate. He revealed to us that he used to work on the A9. I do not know whe...
Stewart Stevenson (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
David Stewart Lab
In one second—I will just finish this point. There were 1,375 child casualties, of whom four died.
Stewart Stevenson SNP
I wonder if the member might care to look at his number for those who have been killed on our roads. On these benches, we seemed to hear the figure 2008, but...
David Stewart Lab
The key point is that the figures are declining, which is a good point that we can all unite behind. What concerns me is that fatality numbers are highest a...
Murdo Fraser (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
I congratulate Mike MacKenzie on securing the debate and thank him for bringing the motion to Parliament. Like David Stewart, I am a regular user of the A9 a...
Dave Thompson (Skye, Lochaber and Badenoch) (SNP) SNP
As has been said, we all know that the A9 average-speed cameras have been a resounding success. I agree to an extent with Murdo Fraser that all the evidence ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
Due to the number of members who still wish to speak in the debate, I am minded to accept a motion under rule 8.14.3 of standing orders that the debate be ex...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
I call Dave Thompson, to be followed— Dave Thompson rose—
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
No. I beg your pardon. I call Liam McArthur, to be followed by Stewart Stevenson. You have had your turn, Mr Thompson. 17:27
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD
It was not Dave Thompson’s worst speech, but I do not want to listen to it again, Presiding Officer. I join others in congratulating Mike MacKenzie on bring...
Mike MacKenzie SNP
I hope that Mr McArthur agrees that, although the data might not be absolute, definitive proof, it is nevertheless encouraging.
Liam McArthur LD
The Minister for Transport and Islands said back in January: “After only three months of average speed camera operation, police injury accident figures are ...
The Minister for Transport and Islands (Derek Mackay) SNP
Will the member give way?
Liam McArthur LD
The minister will have an opportunity to respond to my comments, and those of others, when he winds up. What the figures do not show is what has happened wi...
Dave Thompson SNP
Will the member give way?
Liam McArthur LD
No—we have already heard from Dave Thompson. Business groups have raised concerns about the implications of average-speed cameras for journey times. I do no...
Stewart Stevenson (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
I thank Mike MacKenzie for the opportunity to debate this important subject. I declare an interest, in that I am a member of the Institute of Advanced Motori...
John Finnie (Highlands and Islands) (Ind) Ind
I, too, commend Mike MacKenzie for bringing this important issue to the chamber. I have enjoyed the speeches thus far. One of the purposes of Government is...
Mary Scanlon Con
It is of no use to you, then.
John Finnie Ind
I am told that Klang is of no use to me. Of course, what is for me is another app that the Scottish Government has put in place—the road safety cameras. It ...
Jamie McGrigor (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
I congratulate Mike MacKenzie on securing a debate on one of the most significant roads—and certainly the most dangerous road—to the Highlands and Islands. I...
Dave Thompson SNP
Can Jamie McGrigor remind us who Lord Burton railed against, regarding dualling the A9, back in those days? It was certainly well before the SNP Government c...
Jamie McGrigor Con
No—I have to say that I do not remember who it was. Lord Burton was always very pro-dualling, as far as I knew. Our Governments—Conservative Governments—prod...
The Minister for Transport and Islands (Derek Mackay) SNP
Road safety is of paramount importance to this Government and we are committed to reducing casualties and saving lives on roads across Scotland, including th...
Liam McArthur LD
Can the minister comment on the way in which the figures are able to disaggregate the implementation of the speed cameras from the introduction of roadworks ...
Derek Mackay SNP
A level of analysis would be required there, but what is pretty consistent when we look at the stats that were provided in the briefing for today’s debate is...
David Stewart Lab
I appreciate the work that the Government is doing on the speed limit increase to 50mph for HGVs and that it will need some years to analyse the results of t...