Holyrood, made browsable

Hansard

Every contribution to the Official Report — chamber and committee — searchable in one place. Pulled from data.parliament.scot, indexed for full-text search, linked through to every MSP.

129
Current MSPs
415
MSPs ever elected
14
Parties on record
2,096,833
Hansard contributions
1999–2026
Coverage span
Official Report

Search Hansard contributions

Clear
Showing 0 of 2,096,833 contributions in session S6, 11 May 2026 – 10 Jun 2026. Latest 30 days: 2,655. Coverage: 12 May 1999 — 09 Jun 2026.

No contributions match those filters.

← Back to list
Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 17 March 2015

17 Mar 2015 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
A9 (Average-speed Cameras)
Stevenson, Stewart SNP Banffshire and Buchan Coast Watch on SPTV

I thank Mike MacKenzie for the opportunity to debate this important subject. I declare an interest, in that I am a member of the Institute of Advanced Motorists. I also declare that I had no hand whatsoever, that I am aware of, in building the A9, although when I was a transport minister, I was involved in the relocating of 41 colonies of wood ants as a result of a small improvement. They are doing very well, by the way.

Have safety cameras that measure average speeds changed behaviours and reduced lawbreaking? The answer, with the benefit of a few months’ experience, has to be yes. Have accidents and the numbers killed and seriously injured been reduced? Again, conditionally and provisionally, the answer is yes.

We need to think about what people who say that we should not have average-speed cameras are actually saying. They are saying that, although we have a law that sets the speed limit, we do not want to enforce that law. Why are we choosing not to enforce that law, among all other laws? Because it is a matter of personal convenience and arrogance on the part of those who wish permission, unsupervised and unenforced, to break one of our laws. If the law is wrong—one could argue that it is and that the speed limit is not the right one—there is a way to deal with that. However, putting other people’s lives at risk while doing that is not on—not in any way whatsoever.

I very much welcome the improvements that we are seeing in the layout and engineering of the A9, and the dualling of the road all the way to Inverness will be of great benefit. In the distant past, I lived in Fife and had a girlfriend who lived in Inverness, and members can be absolutely sure that I was familiar with the road. My family used to travel from Fife to Sutherland for our summer holidays every year for many years. That used to be a 12-hour journey, on the previous incarnation of the A9.

Today’s A9 is different from the one before, and the next generation will be different again. However, we will not engineer out all the accidents and issues on the A9 by dualling it. Parliamentary answers to Murdo Fraser show that, in every year about which he asked questions, the M8—which is a motorway and a dual carriageway—had a higher rate of accidents per kilometre than the A9.

We do not find ourselves addressing just engineering. I absolutely support Dave Stewart’s efforts, which focus on driver education and graduated driving licences. Members will have heard before that I am a private pilot. In flying, people do not simply pass their test and get the right to go off and do everything—it does not happen that way. They cannot fly at night, fly out of sight of the ground or fly in clouds. They cannot fly multi-engine planes, planes with retractable undercarriage or planes with variable pitch prop. If people want to do those things, they have to learn and acquire the skill and get the endorsement that they have done the needful. When we pass a test, be it as a pilot or a driver, we do not suddenly and magically acquire the experience that will enable us to cope with everything that we will meet during our career in charge of a vehicle; that has to be learned.

We have to look at whether there are ways in which we can sensibly help people to make progress safely. I do not speak for my party on the matter, but I very much support the idea that we should have graduated training. I accept that that affects young people in particular, and in rural areas—such as I represent—there are particular challenges, because the car is an important transport vehicle for young people. However, we can do it and I think that we have to look at it further.

Frustration, on the A9 or any other road, is never an excuse for creating an accident or the possibility of an accident. We cannot imagine just that engineering solves the problem; we have to look at the drivers as well. We do not have all the powers to do that, but I hope that there will be willingness from elsewhere to help on that.

17:36  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
The final item of business today is a members’ business debate on motion S4M-12163, in the name of Mike MacKenzie, on average-speed cameras on the A9. The de...
Mike MacKenzie (Highlands and Islands) (SNP) SNP
I have had a particular affection for the A9 since I helped to build part of it during the long, hot summer of 1976. It was a massive improvement on the prev...
David Stewart (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
I congratulate Mike MacKenzie on bringing to the chamber tonight’s very important debate. He revealed to us that he used to work on the A9. I do not know whe...
Stewart Stevenson (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
David Stewart Lab
In one second—I will just finish this point. There were 1,375 child casualties, of whom four died.
Stewart Stevenson SNP
I wonder if the member might care to look at his number for those who have been killed on our roads. On these benches, we seemed to hear the figure 2008, but...
David Stewart Lab
The key point is that the figures are declining, which is a good point that we can all unite behind. What concerns me is that fatality numbers are highest a...
Murdo Fraser (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
I congratulate Mike MacKenzie on securing the debate and thank him for bringing the motion to Parliament. Like David Stewart, I am a regular user of the A9 a...
Dave Thompson (Skye, Lochaber and Badenoch) (SNP) SNP
As has been said, we all know that the A9 average-speed cameras have been a resounding success. I agree to an extent with Murdo Fraser that all the evidence ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
Due to the number of members who still wish to speak in the debate, I am minded to accept a motion under rule 8.14.3 of standing orders that the debate be ex...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
I call Dave Thompson, to be followed— Dave Thompson rose—
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
No. I beg your pardon. I call Liam McArthur, to be followed by Stewart Stevenson. You have had your turn, Mr Thompson. 17:27
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD
It was not Dave Thompson’s worst speech, but I do not want to listen to it again, Presiding Officer. I join others in congratulating Mike MacKenzie on bring...
Mike MacKenzie SNP
I hope that Mr McArthur agrees that, although the data might not be absolute, definitive proof, it is nevertheless encouraging.
Liam McArthur LD
The Minister for Transport and Islands said back in January: “After only three months of average speed camera operation, police injury accident figures are ...
The Minister for Transport and Islands (Derek Mackay) SNP
Will the member give way?
Liam McArthur LD
The minister will have an opportunity to respond to my comments, and those of others, when he winds up. What the figures do not show is what has happened wi...
Dave Thompson SNP
Will the member give way?
Liam McArthur LD
No—we have already heard from Dave Thompson. Business groups have raised concerns about the implications of average-speed cameras for journey times. I do no...
Stewart Stevenson (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
I thank Mike MacKenzie for the opportunity to debate this important subject. I declare an interest, in that I am a member of the Institute of Advanced Motori...
John Finnie (Highlands and Islands) (Ind) Ind
I, too, commend Mike MacKenzie for bringing this important issue to the chamber. I have enjoyed the speeches thus far. One of the purposes of Government is...
Mary Scanlon Con
It is of no use to you, then.
John Finnie Ind
I am told that Klang is of no use to me. Of course, what is for me is another app that the Scottish Government has put in place—the road safety cameras. It ...
Jamie McGrigor (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
I congratulate Mike MacKenzie on securing a debate on one of the most significant roads—and certainly the most dangerous road—to the Highlands and Islands. I...
Dave Thompson SNP
Can Jamie McGrigor remind us who Lord Burton railed against, regarding dualling the A9, back in those days? It was certainly well before the SNP Government c...
Jamie McGrigor Con
No—I have to say that I do not remember who it was. Lord Burton was always very pro-dualling, as far as I knew. Our Governments—Conservative Governments—prod...
The Minister for Transport and Islands (Derek Mackay) SNP
Road safety is of paramount importance to this Government and we are committed to reducing casualties and saving lives on roads across Scotland, including th...
Liam McArthur LD
Can the minister comment on the way in which the figures are able to disaggregate the implementation of the speed cameras from the introduction of roadworks ...
Derek Mackay SNP
A level of analysis would be required there, but what is pretty consistent when we look at the stats that were provided in the briefing for today’s debate is...
David Stewart Lab
I appreciate the work that the Government is doing on the speed limit increase to 50mph for HGVs and that it will need some years to analyse the results of t...