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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 17 March 2015

17 Mar 2015 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
A9 (Average-speed Cameras)
Thompson, Dave SNP Skye, Lochaber and Badenoch Watch on SPTV

As has been said, we all know that the A9 average-speed cameras have been a resounding success. I agree to an extent with Murdo Fraser that all the evidence is not yet in, but we have sufficient evidence to show us that the scheme has been successful to date. Although accidents continue, which is of course tragic, I hope that the level will remain lower than was the case before the speed cameras were introduced. As has been said, the system, which cost £3 million, has been credited with cutting the number of people speeding on the A9.

I believe that the road is now much safer. Like other members, I have driven on the road. I have been driving on it since the mid-1960s when I passed my driving test in, I think, 1967. I remember travelling from Lossiemouth to Edinburgh on the old A9: it took seven hours, and was nose to tail the whole way. A big chunk of the road runs through Badenoch, which is an important part of my constituency. Three times over the years, I have been very fortunate to avoid head-on collisions with various vehicles when going round corners or driving at night. Somehow or other, I managed to get into a layby that just happened to be there at the right time when someone was coming towards me. That has happened to me three times, and I hope that it does not happen again, because I am not sure that a layby would be there the next time. I am very aware of the dangers of the A9.

It is encouraging that the Government listened on the issue of heavy goods vehicles. Several members have said that they made representations and campaigned with others, as I did. I met the then Minister for Transport and Veterans, Keith Brown, and his officials and made a strong case to them that the limit had to be increased, because it would have been an absolute disaster if the average-speed cameras had come on and we had left the HGV limit at 40mph. That would just not have worked and would have created an awful lot of frustration, so the 50mph limit was crucial. If members drive on the A9 now, they will find that they are driving at around 54mph or 55mph for a lot of the way if they come up behind an HGV. That is perfectly acceptable because it is possible to get by the HGVs on the dual carriageway stretches and even at some of the two-plus-one stretches, which I am not keen on.

However, the average-speed cameras have not been without their detractors. As Mike MacKenzie said, the Lib Dems in particular seemed to have a strange logic, teaming up with anyone who had anything negative to say about the cameras. Thankfully, they have stopped their silly posturing as the evidence comes through to show that the scheme is working.

We need to consider the matter more broadly. Mike MacKenzie mentioned the introduction of the new drink-driving limit, for which I campaigned from 2007 until, eventually, we wore the Westminster Government down and forced it to devolve the setting of the limit to us. That took more than five years but the Scottish Government acted within about five months once it had the power. I was pleased about that.

The speed cameras and the drink-driving limit are road safety issues. Safety must always be our top priority. I thank the Scottish Government as it gets the dualling of the A9 under way. That is happening now. Members will see real progress from now on and, within 10 years—if not less than that—the A9 will be fully dualled, which everybody in the chamber will welcome.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
The final item of business today is a members’ business debate on motion S4M-12163, in the name of Mike MacKenzie, on average-speed cameras on the A9. The de...
Mike MacKenzie (Highlands and Islands) (SNP) SNP
I have had a particular affection for the A9 since I helped to build part of it during the long, hot summer of 1976. It was a massive improvement on the prev...
David Stewart (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
I congratulate Mike MacKenzie on bringing to the chamber tonight’s very important debate. He revealed to us that he used to work on the A9. I do not know whe...
Stewart Stevenson (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
David Stewart Lab
In one second—I will just finish this point. There were 1,375 child casualties, of whom four died.
Stewart Stevenson SNP
I wonder if the member might care to look at his number for those who have been killed on our roads. On these benches, we seemed to hear the figure 2008, but...
David Stewart Lab
The key point is that the figures are declining, which is a good point that we can all unite behind. What concerns me is that fatality numbers are highest a...
Murdo Fraser (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
I congratulate Mike MacKenzie on securing the debate and thank him for bringing the motion to Parliament. Like David Stewart, I am a regular user of the A9 a...
Dave Thompson (Skye, Lochaber and Badenoch) (SNP) SNP
As has been said, we all know that the A9 average-speed cameras have been a resounding success. I agree to an extent with Murdo Fraser that all the evidence ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
Due to the number of members who still wish to speak in the debate, I am minded to accept a motion under rule 8.14.3 of standing orders that the debate be ex...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
I call Dave Thompson, to be followed— Dave Thompson rose—
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
No. I beg your pardon. I call Liam McArthur, to be followed by Stewart Stevenson. You have had your turn, Mr Thompson. 17:27
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD
It was not Dave Thompson’s worst speech, but I do not want to listen to it again, Presiding Officer. I join others in congratulating Mike MacKenzie on bring...
Mike MacKenzie SNP
I hope that Mr McArthur agrees that, although the data might not be absolute, definitive proof, it is nevertheless encouraging.
Liam McArthur LD
The Minister for Transport and Islands said back in January: “After only three months of average speed camera operation, police injury accident figures are ...
The Minister for Transport and Islands (Derek Mackay) SNP
Will the member give way?
Liam McArthur LD
The minister will have an opportunity to respond to my comments, and those of others, when he winds up. What the figures do not show is what has happened wi...
Dave Thompson SNP
Will the member give way?
Liam McArthur LD
No—we have already heard from Dave Thompson. Business groups have raised concerns about the implications of average-speed cameras for journey times. I do no...
Stewart Stevenson (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
I thank Mike MacKenzie for the opportunity to debate this important subject. I declare an interest, in that I am a member of the Institute of Advanced Motori...
John Finnie (Highlands and Islands) (Ind) Ind
I, too, commend Mike MacKenzie for bringing this important issue to the chamber. I have enjoyed the speeches thus far. One of the purposes of Government is...
Mary Scanlon Con
It is of no use to you, then.
John Finnie Ind
I am told that Klang is of no use to me. Of course, what is for me is another app that the Scottish Government has put in place—the road safety cameras. It ...
Jamie McGrigor (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
I congratulate Mike MacKenzie on securing a debate on one of the most significant roads—and certainly the most dangerous road—to the Highlands and Islands. I...
Dave Thompson SNP
Can Jamie McGrigor remind us who Lord Burton railed against, regarding dualling the A9, back in those days? It was certainly well before the SNP Government c...
Jamie McGrigor Con
No—I have to say that I do not remember who it was. Lord Burton was always very pro-dualling, as far as I knew. Our Governments—Conservative Governments—prod...
The Minister for Transport and Islands (Derek Mackay) SNP
Road safety is of paramount importance to this Government and we are committed to reducing casualties and saving lives on roads across Scotland, including th...
Liam McArthur LD
Can the minister comment on the way in which the figures are able to disaggregate the implementation of the speed cameras from the introduction of roadworks ...
Derek Mackay SNP
A level of analysis would be required there, but what is pretty consistent when we look at the stats that were provided in the briefing for today’s debate is...
David Stewart Lab
I appreciate the work that the Government is doing on the speed limit increase to 50mph for HGVs and that it will need some years to analyse the results of t...