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Meeting of the Parliament 17 March 2015

17 Mar 2015 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Scotland’s Place in Europe

Scotland is often described as being on the periphery of Europe. Although that may be true in a geographic sense, our strong cultural, historical and political connection to Europe suggests otherwise. Indeed, it is impossible to understand Scottish culture or the development of our political system without an appreciation of our historic links to other European nations. We need only look at the quintessential markers of Scottish nationhood to realise that Scotland itself is a product of Europe and of our interactions with our European neighbours.

Today, we have a more formalised relationship with our European neighbours, and the legislation that we scrutinise in our committees and debate in this chamber is always considered within a European legal context. Clearly, Scotland has benefited greatly from its European interactions, and I believe that Scotland should continue to build on those connections as a constructive member of the European Union.

However, after being instructed that a no vote in last year’s referendum was the only way to secure Scotland’s participation in the EU, our EU membership and our ability effectively to influence European policy are now under threat from the Tory party. David Cameron’s commitment to an in/out referendum on our EU membership threatens to undermine decades of European co-operation and the vital economic benefits of a single market that gives Scotland access to 500 million people and 22 million businesses across Europe.

It is the threat to Scotland’s participation in the single market that I am particularly concerned about: I believe that removal of our EU membership would seriously undermine Scotland’s long-term economic objectives. The EU accounts for nearly half of Scotland’s international exports, and in 2011 those European exports supported more than 336,000 jobs in Scotland.

It is difficult to understand how our withdrawal from the European single market would improve economic relations with Europe, particularly in light of the €985 million investment that Scotland currently receives from the European regional development fund and the European social fund. In reality, the loss of EU membership would not only threaten jobs; it would also undermine investment and our ability to create sustainable growth.

Putting aside economics for a moment, the threat of the UK Government’s proposed EU referendum is a symptom of a more general rise in hostility against Europe from the Westminster elite. That hostility has also shown itself in the Tory threat to withdraw the UK from the European Court of Human Rights. That move would place us alongside Belarus as one of the few European states not to have ratified the European convention on human rights. We have also seen that hostility focused against migrants as the UK Government toughens its rhetoric against Europeans who wish to work hard and build a life in the UK. It is an unedifying spectacle to see UK parties tack to the right as a response to the siren calls from UKIP. It is essential that we continue to challenge the UK Government’s politically motivated and illogical immigration rhetoric.

As the minister mentioned in his opening speech, University College London found that EU migrants contributed more than £20 billion to the economy between 2001 and 2011. Workers from EU 15 countries such as France and Germany contributed 64 per cent more in tax than they received in benefits, and migrants from newer accession states paid 12 per cent more than they received. That shoots down the argument that Jamie McGrigor used earlier about people coming here and taking benefits. The figures give the lie to that argument. European migrants make positive economic, social and cultural contributions to Scotland, and they deserve better than a Westminster political culture that is locked in a race to the bottom on immigration.

The clear difference in approach that we see at Westminster, compared with that at Holyrood, is indicative of the diverging political cultures of the two Parliaments. It is becoming increasingly apparent that the UK Government does not reflect the views of the people of Scotland and that it does not prioritise the Scottish position on a range of European policy issues.

Research by Durham University and the University of East Anglia concluded that although a majority of constituencies in England would vote to leave the EU, only four seats in Scotland would vote to do likewise. Dr Hanretty of the University of East Anglia said that the findings show that

“Scottish views on the European Union are distinct from English views”

and that—I want to quote very carefully here—

“Even looking at constituencies just north of the border—areas that are by no means bedrocks of SNP support—you find a more favourable opinion of the EU than you do in the north of England.”

Those findings show why it is essential that Scotland has a democratic safeguard against the threat of the UK Government’s in/out referendum. I therefore fully support the introduction of a four-nation consent clause as part of any future EU referendum bill to ensure that the voices of the respective UK nations are respected.

We were told to vote no to be part of the family of nations. We cannot be a family if one particular member of that family can drag the other three members out of the EU. That is not a family of nations. Scotland cannot be dragged out of Europe against the wishes of the majority of people in Scotland.

I conclude by reaffirming the importance of the UK’s European Union membership but say also that Scotland’s interests would, ultimately, best be served by having our own voice on the European stage. The proposals that the Smith commission outlined, which would see greater Scottish Government and UK Government co-operation on European representation, are welcome, but there are still limitations to that approach. I know that I will not be alone in expressing concern about the UK Government’s ability to represent accurately our interests on energy policy, fisheries and many other portfolio areas.

I look forward to the day when Scotland’s voice is heard unimpeded at the top tables of Europe. Given the evidence from recent polling, that day might come sooner rather than later.

15:23  

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Tricia Marwick) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-12670, in the name of Humza Yousaf, on Scotland’s place in Europe. 14:21
The Minister for Europe and International Development (Humza Yousaf) SNP
Scotland has been a progressive and integral part of the European Union for the past 40 years. Engagement with the EU and its institutions is a core priority...
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD
The minister will be aware of the importance of structural funding to the region that I partly represent. At the back end of last year, there was some concer...
Humza Yousaf SNP
That is an issue that the member has raised previously, and I know that he has had reassurances from this Government. We share his concerns, and I am happy t...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
On the issue of TTIP, would the minister accept that we probably have more common ground with some of our European neighbours than we do with the London Gove...
Humza Yousaf SNP
I am doing my best to be as consensual as I can in the debate. The UK Government knows our position and that we are asking for a black-and-white exemption fo...
Dennis Robertson (Aberdeenshire West) (SNP) SNP
Does the minister agree that there is still more to be done within the domestic market to encourage small and medium-sized businesses to look at the potentia...
Humza Yousaf SNP
I agree entirely. Internationalisation is one of the four priorities of Scotland’s economic strategy, which the First Minister and Deputy First Minister laun...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
Will you draw to a close, please?
Humza Yousaf SNP
I will end on this point. We believe that there should be a double-majority system for that referendum. We believe that Scotland and indeed other parts of th...
Claire Baker (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
I am pleased to be opening this debate for Labour. This is my first opening speech in this area of my portfolio. Previously, as a lead on rural affairs, food...
Stewart Stevenson (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
Will the member take a brief intervention?
Claire Baker Lab
I ask the member to be brief as I am quite short of time.
Stewart Stevenson SNP
Does the member recall that, when the UK entered the European Union in 1973, most of the major broadcasting and print media organisations had correspondents ...
Claire Baker Lab
I am pleased to say that I do not have much recall of 1973, but the member makes a fair point. It is not just down to politicians. It is also down to our soc...
Humza Yousaf SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Claire Baker Lab
I am in my final minute. Labour does not support a referendum as we know that it will cause uncertainty for business. A referendum is not in the interests o...
Jamie McGrigor (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
I welcome the debate as it gives me the chance to dispel the myths and scaremongering that are coming from members on the Government benches about Scotland’s...
Christian Allard (North East Scotland) (SNP) SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Jamie McGrigor Con
I have only six minutes, so I want to make progress. The SNP asserts that Scotland has no appetite for a referendum on EU membership, despite the fact that ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
Please draw to a close.
Jamie McGrigor Con
I am just going to close. For all those reasons and many more, the need for a referendum on EU membership will become more apparent in the next two years, d...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
We move to the open debate, with speeches of six minutes or thereby. 14:53
Christina McKelvie (Hamilton, Larkhall and Stonehouse) (SNP) SNP
In the past four years, as convener of the European and External Relations Committee, I have learned a lot about Europe, including a lot about its strengths....
Anne McTaggart (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
I am pleased to contribute to this debate and to speak in support of Claire Baker’s amendment. At a time when countries are fighting for their right to be p...
Christian Allard (North East Scotland) (SNP) SNP
I start my contribution to this timely and important debate with a 1736 quote that is to be found in the diaries of a French minister, René de Voyer, who was...
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD
I welcome the debate and I thank Humza Yousaf—or, as I like to call him, the minister—for allowing Parliament this opportunity. The motion and the amendment...
Christian Allard SNP
Will Liam McArthur take an intervention?
Liam McArthur LD
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Stewart Maxwell (West Scotland) (SNP) SNP
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