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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 26 February 2015

26 Feb 2015 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Commission on Local Tax Reform

The commission may choose to advise on the benefits and merits of each of the different options that it considers. If it provides an informative report outlining the range of available options, it will then be for the political parties to decide what to do. My party, for example, does not believe that a local income tax is the best way forward, but other parties may want to make a case for that option. If the commission is able to consider the merits of local income tax versus property tax, all that information should be there and should be useful.

More important—certainly from the discussion that we had at the first meeting—is that we will, I hope, engage with civic Scotland, with local government itself and with communities and individuals right across Scotland to discuss the merits and the principle of local taxation and local people paying for local services. There is a wider discussion and a wider debate to be had; I hope that the commission will, in the short timescale that has been set, be able to have that discussion and debate and engage people right across Scotland, because there is no doubt that the council tax freeze has been popular.

Right now, the Labour Party takes the view that it would be wrong to introduce increases in council tax charges when people have, in effect, had a wage freeze for the past four or five years and are currently facing a crisis in relation to family budgets. There needs to be a discussion with communities and with people across Scotland about the type of local government finance that they want. I read a report by Common Weal the other night, entitled “The Silent Crisis: Failure and Revival in Local Democracy in Scotland”. The report highlights that in 2006,

“the Local Government Finance Review Committee”

of this Parliament reported that

“there is the fundamental question about what the relationship between central and local government should be. There is long-standing and unresolved debate about their respective roles. The Committee’s view is that it is essential that the Scottish Parliament, the Scottish Executive”—

as it was then—

“and local authorities grasp the nettle and resolve what appears to be a corrosive argument about their relationship.”

That was back in 2006; we could argue that not a lot has moved on since then. Just in the past couple of weeks, the Cabinet Secretary for Finance, Constitution and Economy has been threatening to cut the budget to local authorities over the issue of teacher numbers. The ridiculous part of that is that local authorities across Scotland do not want to cut teacher numbers but need the money to be able to provide the education service in the first place.

The debate about local government and funding local government services seems to have been going on for some time, but has not been resolved. In 2007, we had a minority Scottish National Party Government that was committed to a local income tax. By 2011, when the SNP had a majority, a local income tax did not seem to be as popular, or perhaps it did not look as though it would actually work. We have travelled some distance, but we have not made a lot of progress when it comes to financing local government. I hope that some of my colleagues will highlight in their speeches why local government is so important and why we need to find a way forward.

Last year’s report by the commission for strengthening local democracy, which was chaired by COSLA, stated that

“50 years ago”

local authorities

“raised well over 50% of their own income through local taxation. As recently as 1998, around half was still generated this way.”

However, it went on to state that

“Today that has fallen to 18%.”

I contacted a number of council leaders. I got an interesting response from Gordon Matheson, who is the leader of Glasgow City Council. He said:

“I am disappointed that the remit of the group narrowly focuses upon council tax, which accounts for 17% of funding to local government and ignores the 83% block of funding that is allocated by the Scottish Government, typical of a highly centralised Scottish state. This is a major omission.”

He went on to say:

“Since 2008/9, Glasgow’s percentage share of the available local government settlement has reduced from 13.91% to 12.81% for 2015/16. In cash terms, this equates to a difference of £109 million for ... 2015/16 ... The distribution formula has a greater impact on Glasgow than the council tax freeze”.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Tricia Marwick) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-12423, in the name of Marco Biagi, on the commission on local tax reform. 15:00
The Minister for Local Government and Community Empowerment (Marco Biagi) SNP
In looking at tax, we in the Scottish Government base our approach on four principles: efficiency, convenience, certainty and the tax’s being proportionate t...
Gavin Brown (Lothian) (Con) Con
Just a couple of weeks ago in the chamber, John Swinney said, in defending the council tax: “Council tax liability is linked to ability to pay through the c...
Marco Biagi SNP
It is “linked”, but I said that it “does not in a substantive sense adhere” to the fourth principle. There is a linkage, but it could be greater. The 1992...
Alex Johnstone (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
Will the minister concede that the suggestion that council tax relief was abolished in Scotland is not entirely accurate, that a significant proportion of th...
Marco Biagi SNP
Council tax was a reserved benefit. It was abolished. The funding was devolved with a 10 per cent cut, and we have had to step in and plug that gap. In Engl...
Alex Rowley (Cowdenbeath) (Lab) Lab
Will the minister give way?
Marco Biagi SNP
I need to make some progress. Perhaps with the exception of the Conservatives, we all recognise that the present system, as defined in an act that was passe...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
I call Alex Rowley to speak to and move amendment S4M-12423.1. Mr Rowley, you have 9 minutes. 15:13
Alex Rowley (Cowdenbeath) (Lab) Lab
Thank you, Deputy Presiding Officer. I was a bit concerned when I heard the minister starting off his speech by saying that we were going to have the debat...
Gavin Brown Con
I am grateful to Alex Rowley for giving way. Is it his view that the commission will not come up with recommendations?
Alex Rowley Lab
The commission may choose to advise on the benefits and merits of each of the different options that it considers. If it provides an informative report outli...
Kevin Stewart (Aberdeen Central) (SNP) SNP
Will Alex Rowley give way?
Alex Rowley Lab
Yes.
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
I am sorry, Mr Stewart, but the member is in his last minute.
Alex Rowley Lab
I am sorry—that is right. The point is that having the new commission look at local taxation in isolation will not be the panacea for all the local governme...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
Yes, please.
Alex Rowley Lab
The reason why that is so important is that local government does something every day that Parliament does not do. Every day, local authorities throughout Sc...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
We take your point.
Alex Rowley Lab
In all those areas, local government is key. It is far too important—
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
You must close, please.
Alex Rowley Lab
—for us not to get the answers. That is why we will support the motion as amended today. I move amendment S4M-12423.1, to insert after “council tax”: “as p...
Gavin Brown (Lothian) (Con) Con
I begin with a degree of surprise after listening to the first two speeches—from the Scottish National Party and Labour—about what exactly the commission wil...
Willie Rennie (Mid Scotland and Fife) (LD) LD
Surely Gavin Brown recognises that it is better to have tried, and perhaps failed and been enlightened, than not to have bothered at all.
Gavin Brown Con
The point is that, based on what the minister said, the commission will not even be trying to make firm recommendations. I am genuinely confused about what t...
Bruce Crawford (Stirling) (SNP) SNP
Can Mr Brown join together an equation that says on the one hand that his group will produce proposals and be independent and on the other hand that it will ...
Gavin Brown Con
Not at all. Like the many commissions that I know Mr Crawford has been involved in and seen, although we have set up the commission, it will operate independ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
We move to the open debate. I call Kevin Stewart, to be followed by Willie Rennie. We are tight for time, so I ask for six-minute speeches, please. 15:28
Kevin Stewart (Aberdeen Central) (SNP) SNP
I thank my colleagues on the Local Government and Regeneration Committee for the work that they did on the flexibility and autonomy report. During our delibe...
Gavin Brown Con
That criticism would be fair if we were doing nothing but, given that we have set up our own commission, which will engage extremely widely, surely it is unf...