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Meeting of the Parliament 03 February 2015

03 Feb 2015 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Community Empowerment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

I am pleased to speak in this debate on behalf of my colleagues in the Local Government and Regeneration Committee. I thank the current and past members of the committee for the work that they have undertaken, not only in scrutinising the bill but on the wider topic of community empowerment. The committee has been examining community empowerment in one form or another for the past three years. I will elaborate on that later.

I extend my thanks to all the witnesses who provided written and oral evidence to the committee as well as to the hundreds of people from all over Scotland who took part in various community engagement events with us. Thanks are also due to all the people who helped to facilitate the committee’s various fact-finding visits across Scotland over the past three years. They proved to be invaluable preparation for our scrutiny of the bill.

I thank our colleagues in the Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee and the Finance Committee for their scrutiny of the bill and, in particular, I thank the Rural Affairs, Climate Change and Environment Committee, under the convenership of Rob Gibson, for its consideration of part 4, on the community right to buy. I know that that work proved to be a big ask for a committee with a very full programme of work, but my colleagues and I greatly appreciated the knowledge and expertise that its members brought to the examination of the community right to buy. We have accepted its recommendations to us in full. I am sure that members of that committee will say more about that during the debate.

I thank the former Minister for Local Government and Planning, Derek Mackay, and all the Scottish Government officials who have worked to bring the legislation to fruition. I hope that we can work in tandem with the current minister to ensure that we make the bill the best that it possibly can be.

Ernest Hemingway once said:

“The best way to find out if you can trust somebody is to trust them.”

That piece of advice neatly sums up the core philosophy at the heart of the Community Empowerment (Scotland) Bill. At first glance, it may be difficult to see a unifying theme to the bill, as it seems to cover so many different areas, but, in truth, trust is the unifying theme at the heart of it: trust that communities all over Scotland know what is best for them and have the desire and ability to help to bring their ambitions to reality; trust that, despite all the challenges that our public services have faced and will continue to face, they can work together to empower communities and deliver the outcomes that they need; trust that communities can make better use of public assets such as buildings or land than local authorities or the wider public sector can; and trust that CPP partners will help to facilitate public trust by being able to work in partnership with communities.

The bill is not about imposing a framework or compelling various public bodies to undertake various actions that we wish them to undertake; rather, it is about providing communities across Scotland with the tools that they need to take decisions for themselves and about trusting them to use those tools wisely. In short, it is about putting the power in community empowerment.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Tricia Marwick) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-12220, in the name of Marco Biagi, on the Community Empowerment (Scotland) Bill. Mr Biagi, you have 14 mi...
The Minister for Local Government and Community Empowerment (Marco Biagi) SNP
Thank you, Presiding Officer—and I begin this stage 1 debate by thanking a lot of other people, too. Although “stage 1” suggests that we are at the first sta...
Bruce Crawford (Stirling) (SNP) SNP
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Marco Biagi SNP
On Friday, I spoke to Ian Welsh of the Scottish Allotments and Gardens Society. I committed to consulting on the use of one of the powers that the bill will ...
Ken Macintosh (Eastwood) (Lab) Lab
Will the minister take an intervention?
Marco Biagi SNP
I am afraid that I am in my final minute. On Saturday, I will visit a charrette hosted by the Glasgow canal regeneration partnership, where the community wi...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith) Lab
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Kevin Stewart (Aberdeen Central) (SNP) SNP
I am pleased to speak in this debate on behalf of my colleagues in the Local Government and Regeneration Committee. I thank the current and past members of t...
Joan McAlpine (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP
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Kevin Stewart SNP
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The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
I am afraid that I must ask you to come to a close.
Kevin Stewart SNP
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Alex Rowley (Cowdenbeath) (Lab) Lab
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Kevin Stewart SNP
Will Alex Rowley give way?
Alex Rowley Lab
I will not, at this stage. I raise that point not to highlight concerns about local government finance, but to argue that if the moneys are not available, t...
Kevin Stewart SNP
The committee was divided on that point, but it would be fair to say that there are some concerns. The Scottish Community Alliance director, Angus Hardie, s...
Alex Rowley Lab
I have said that the Scottish Labour Party absolutely supports the principle of community empowerment. However, there are serious questions around finance th...
Anne McTaggart (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
Alex Rowley referred in his opening comments to poor legislation and the challenges in the bill. Does he agree with the latest statement from the Scottish Al...
Alex Rowley Lab
I should probably declare an interest as a very keen allotment grower. There needs to be further discussion with the Scottish Allotments and Gardens Society,...
Marco Biagi SNP
On the point about discussion with the Scottish Allotments and Gardens Society, I have been out and visited an allotment, and met the society to discuss the ...
Alex Rowley Lab
I agree with the minister that the five points that the society makes will form the basis of a discussion. The letter that the society has submitted highlig...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
You need to draw to a close, please.
Alex Rowley Lab
I will draw to a close. We must reconsider the right to request to participate, because we cannot have it without a proper appeals system. Scottish Labour ...
Cameron Buchanan (Lothian) (Con) Con
The bill contains some provisions with which I agree and some with which I do not. I welcome the principle of community empowerment, but I am not sure that t...
Alex Rowley Lab
Does Cameron Buchanan agree that it is therefore crucial that we have some kind of financial estimates of the costs that could be incurred, if we are serious...
Cameron Buchanan Con
It is essential that we have estimates of costs, or the bill cannot proceed. We have not had those estimates. It is important that, in the provisions on all...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
We come to the open debate. Speeches should be of six minutes, please. 15:03
Rob Gibson (Caithness, Sutherland and Ross) (SNP) SNP
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Sarah Boyack (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
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Michael Russell (Argyll and Bute) (SNP) SNP
The bill is very welcome. It is useful to state at the outset, as minister did, that this is about mindsets more than minutiae. We cannot empower communities...