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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 29 January 2015

29 Jan 2015 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Chilcot Inquiry

I welcome the opportunity to contribute to the first Government business debate that Nicola Sturgeon has brought forward as First Minister. As Kezia Dugdale said, we could have spent this afternoon debating other issues such as the health service, but Nicola Sturgeon has chosen to prioritise a debate on the yet-to-be-published Chilcot inquiry report, and she is of course entitled to do that.

The Chilcot inquiry was set up because it is vital that we learn the lessons of Iraq, and I agree with the other members who have said this afternoon that the inquiry should report as soon as practically possible. In 2003, I was a student at the University of Glasgow and, like many others, I did not support military action in Iraq; indeed, I marched against it. I had deep reservations about military action but, in spite of them and what has happened since, I believe that the decisions on Iraq were made in good faith and with good intention. As we know, neither the House of Commons nor the Scottish Parliament voted against military action. Although I think that they were wrong, I criticise nobody who was faced with making the toughest of decisions.

It is important to place on record our gratitude to the men and women of our armed forces who fought and died in Iraq because, irrespective of individual opinions on whether the invasion of Iraq was right or wrong, those people do not have the luxury of debating the legal or moral case of military action. For the families of the service personnel who made the ultimate sacrifice in Iraq, the Chilcot inquiry will have added significance.

Had we known in 2003 what we know now, the invasion of Iraq would very likely not have happened. Members are right when they say that we must learn lessons from those mistakes, which is why Gordon Brown and the Labour Government initiated the Chilcot inquiry in 2009, after combat troops withdrew from Iraq, and why we think that the report should be published as soon as practically possible.

However, I am sure that we all hope that some lessons have already been learned, and I believe that that is the case. A number of senior figures have expressed regret at the decision to take action. Alex Fergusson mentioned David Miliband, but those figures are not just in the UK. In the United States, the former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton admitted that, in voting for the invasion of Iraq, she

“got it wrong. Plain and simple.”

We know that Chilcot is an important piece of work and there is a real public interest in its findings, but what must not be forgotten in these discussions is the continuing need to support the people of Iraq. The UN refugee agency, UNHCR—the office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees—says that there are about 3.1 million internally displaced people in Iraq, including 1 million who were displaced between 2003 and 2013 and 2.1 million who were displaced last year. Just this week, we have seen reports of thousands of Iraqis living in extreme poverty and running out of money altogether after fleeing fighting and settling in the south of the country, so there is a clear need for support from the international community and it is absolutely right that the UK Government continues to provide humanitarian aid—

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Tricia Marwick) NPA
Good afternoon. The first item of business is a debate on motion S4M-12182, in the name of Nicola Sturgeon, on the Chilcot inquiry.
The First Minister (Nicola Sturgeon) SNP
I begin with a reminder of the gravity of the subject that we are debating. The United States-led and United Kingdom-backed invasion of Iraq in 2003 began wi...
Alex Fergusson (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con) Con
I do not believe for a minute that the publication date of the Chilcot inquiry’s report is among the top 10 concerns of the Scottish people, but I strongly b...
Kevin Stewart (Aberdeen Central) (SNP) SNP
We know the history of obstruction and delay. What I am most concerned about is that the delay affects families who have faced the death of their loved ones ...
Alex Fergusson Con
Nor do I, but I do not think that it helps Allan Douglas’s family, or anybody else who has been involved in the process, to publish the report before the due...
Mark McDonald (Aberdeen Donside) (SNP) SNP
I am upset that the member seems to think that this is simply about politicians. Kevin Stewart raised the case of the Douglas family, who live in the same co...
Alex Fergusson Con
Not for one minute have I suggested that this is not about people, and I reject the inference. People will be best served by a proper inquiry that has undert...
Kezia Dugdale (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
The Chilcot inquiry report should be published as soon as possible. Today’s motion could have been agreed while saving debating time in the chamber for matte...
Kevin Stewart SNP
Will Ms Dugdale give way?
Kezia Dugdale Lab
No, thank you. It has become clear that the Iraqi people were let down by a failure of post-war planning and that the price in lives lost was far too high....
Mark McDonald SNP
Will the member give way?
Kezia Dugdale Lab
No, thank you. It is clear that there is a thirst for democracy across the middle east, but as that has created hope it has uncovered competing interests an...
Kevin Stewart SNP
Will Ms Dugdale give way?
Kezia Dugdale Lab
No, thank you. A sustainable peace between the Israeli people and the Palestinian people seems as far off as ever in the region. Petro-economies are struggl...
Mark McDonald SNP
Will the member give way?
Kezia Dugdale Lab
No, thank you. Little wonder world affairs commentators have a new acronym for the region: BAD, which stands for broken, angry and dysfunctional. What matt...
Kevin Stewart SNP
Will Ms Dugdale give way?
Kezia Dugdale Lab
No, thank you. Whatever side of the argument we were on 10 years ago, we should all unite around a vision for the middle east with human rights, the rule of...
The Presiding Officer NPA
We now move to the open debate. Speeches should be four minutes long, but we have some time in hand if interventions are taken. 14:22
Joan McAlpine (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP
Today, the First Minister reminded us of the words that Prime Minister Gordon Brown used when he launched the Chilcot inquiry. He promised that it would help...
Willie Rennie (Mid Scotland and Fife) (LD) LD
This is yet another occasion on which my party and the First Minister’s party have been united on the issue of Iraq. I am sure that she was as disappointed a...
Christina McKelvie (Hamilton, Larkhall and Stonehouse) (SNP) SNP
The most important keyword in this whole debate is transparency. Why is that? Because there is none. The Westminster establishment has abandoned even a sembl...
Neil Bibby (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I welcome the opportunity to contribute to the first Government business debate that Nicola Sturgeon has brought forward as First Minister. As Kezia Dugdale ...
Bruce Crawford (Stirling) (SNP) SNP
Will the member give way?
Neil Bibby Lab
Sorry, I do not have time. The people of Iraq cannot afford to have their current needs lost in the discussion of those past mistakes. We know that the conf...
Jim Eadie (Edinburgh Southern) (SNP) SNP
The debate goes to the heart of one of the greatest issues to have faced the United Kingdom in modern times, for there can be no graver decision than that of...
James Kelly (Rutherglen) (Lab) Lab
I support the Government’s motion, and specifically its call for the report to be published as early as possible. However, I agree with the sentiment that so...
Gil Paterson (Clydebank and Milngavie) (SNP) SNP
Will the member give way?
James Kelly Lab
No, thank you.
Kevin Stewart SNP
Will the member give way on that point?