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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 29 January 2015

29 Jan 2015 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Chilcot Inquiry
Fergusson, Alex Con Galloway and West Dumfries Watch on SPTV

I do not believe for a minute that the publication date of the Chilcot inquiry’s report is among the top 10 concerns of the Scottish people, but I strongly believe that it is hugely important that we are all given the earliest possible opportunity to find out what happened, and why, during the build-up to and conduct of the Iraq war, so that we can learn the relevant and necessary lessons.

It is clear that the inquiry is incredibly thorough and detailed—the First Minister alluded to that. In his letter to the Prime Minister of 20 January, Sir John Chilcot said:

“Our report will be based on a thorough and comprehensive account of the relevant events from 2001-2009. We are determined to fulfil the responsibility placed on us to identify lessons to be learned from the UK’s involvement in Iraq, including the way decisions were made and actions taken, over this long period.”

I very much welcome the thorough and comprehensive nature of Sir John’s inquiry—that is absolutely as it should be. I share the disappointment that the report will not be published sooner than will be the case, but it is imperative that the process is completed properly. I say that for two reasons—so that the British public are fully informed and so that the report is published without fear of its being challenged on the ground that the due processes were not properly undertaken.

I will expand on that. Two of those due and necessary processes seem to be causing much of the delay that is so frustrating us all. The first involves the declassification of documents that would not normally see the light of day for many a long year but which are, understandably, deemed to be important to the inquiry. In particular, discussions over correspondence between Tony Blair and US President George Bush seem to have taken up an inordinate amount of time. However, I note with some pleasure that Sir John Chilcot, in his most recent letter to the Prime Minister, indicated that agreement had now been reached on those matters.

The second process, which the First Minister referred to, has become known as Maxwellisation. That process gives any individual whose involvement has been criticised or questioned in a draft report sight of that draft and a right to respond before publication. I fully understand that that process has not been responsible for most of the delay, although the process is on-going, and I am clear that the published report could be challenged by anyone who had not been afforded that right. That might be highly unsatisfactory—indeed, it is—to those of us who are impatient for publication, but it is part of the due process that has to be undertaken, and it cannot and should not be controlled or timed by any Government.

We cannot escape the fact that the report could have been published some considerable time ago. As the Prime Minister pointed out yesterday in the House of Commons, he first voted for an inquiry in 2006, but that was rejected by the then Labour Government. Labour MPs voted against it in 2006, 2007 and 2008.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Tricia Marwick) NPA
Good afternoon. The first item of business is a debate on motion S4M-12182, in the name of Nicola Sturgeon, on the Chilcot inquiry.
The First Minister (Nicola Sturgeon) SNP
I begin with a reminder of the gravity of the subject that we are debating. The United States-led and United Kingdom-backed invasion of Iraq in 2003 began wi...
Alex Fergusson (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con) Con
I do not believe for a minute that the publication date of the Chilcot inquiry’s report is among the top 10 concerns of the Scottish people, but I strongly b...
Kevin Stewart (Aberdeen Central) (SNP) SNP
We know the history of obstruction and delay. What I am most concerned about is that the delay affects families who have faced the death of their loved ones ...
Alex Fergusson Con
Nor do I, but I do not think that it helps Allan Douglas’s family, or anybody else who has been involved in the process, to publish the report before the due...
Mark McDonald (Aberdeen Donside) (SNP) SNP
I am upset that the member seems to think that this is simply about politicians. Kevin Stewart raised the case of the Douglas family, who live in the same co...
Alex Fergusson Con
Not for one minute have I suggested that this is not about people, and I reject the inference. People will be best served by a proper inquiry that has undert...
Kezia Dugdale (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
The Chilcot inquiry report should be published as soon as possible. Today’s motion could have been agreed while saving debating time in the chamber for matte...
Kevin Stewart SNP
Will Ms Dugdale give way?
Kezia Dugdale Lab
No, thank you. It has become clear that the Iraqi people were let down by a failure of post-war planning and that the price in lives lost was far too high....
Mark McDonald SNP
Will the member give way?
Kezia Dugdale Lab
No, thank you. It is clear that there is a thirst for democracy across the middle east, but as that has created hope it has uncovered competing interests an...
Kevin Stewart SNP
Will Ms Dugdale give way?
Kezia Dugdale Lab
No, thank you. A sustainable peace between the Israeli people and the Palestinian people seems as far off as ever in the region. Petro-economies are struggl...
Mark McDonald SNP
Will the member give way?
Kezia Dugdale Lab
No, thank you. Little wonder world affairs commentators have a new acronym for the region: BAD, which stands for broken, angry and dysfunctional. What matt...
Kevin Stewart SNP
Will Ms Dugdale give way?
Kezia Dugdale Lab
No, thank you. Whatever side of the argument we were on 10 years ago, we should all unite around a vision for the middle east with human rights, the rule of...
The Presiding Officer NPA
We now move to the open debate. Speeches should be four minutes long, but we have some time in hand if interventions are taken. 14:22
Joan McAlpine (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP
Today, the First Minister reminded us of the words that Prime Minister Gordon Brown used when he launched the Chilcot inquiry. He promised that it would help...
Willie Rennie (Mid Scotland and Fife) (LD) LD
This is yet another occasion on which my party and the First Minister’s party have been united on the issue of Iraq. I am sure that she was as disappointed a...
Christina McKelvie (Hamilton, Larkhall and Stonehouse) (SNP) SNP
The most important keyword in this whole debate is transparency. Why is that? Because there is none. The Westminster establishment has abandoned even a sembl...
Neil Bibby (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I welcome the opportunity to contribute to the first Government business debate that Nicola Sturgeon has brought forward as First Minister. As Kezia Dugdale ...
Bruce Crawford (Stirling) (SNP) SNP
Will the member give way?
Neil Bibby Lab
Sorry, I do not have time. The people of Iraq cannot afford to have their current needs lost in the discussion of those past mistakes. We know that the conf...
Jim Eadie (Edinburgh Southern) (SNP) SNP
The debate goes to the heart of one of the greatest issues to have faced the United Kingdom in modern times, for there can be no graver decision than that of...
James Kelly (Rutherglen) (Lab) Lab
I support the Government’s motion, and specifically its call for the report to be published as early as possible. However, I agree with the sentiment that so...
Gil Paterson (Clydebank and Milngavie) (SNP) SNP
Will the member give way?
James Kelly Lab
No, thank you.
Kevin Stewart SNP
Will the member give way on that point?