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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 23 April 2014

23 Apr 2014 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Fuel Poverty

I accept that the official figures are just what I say they are—official figures. They are all that we can work on. Whenever the Government cites figures, it uses the official published figures.

It is clear that a lot must still be done to tackle fuel poverty and it remains a priority of the Government to work closely with the fuel poverty forum. However, our powers are limited. We have control over only one of the contributing factors to fuel poverty—the energy efficiency of dwellings. We need more powers—the powers that independence would bring—to tackle all the causes of fuel poverty much more directly, to deliver Scottish solutions to Scottish problems and to ensure that energy companies always behave in a socially responsible way to protect vulnerable customers.

Over the period 2013-14 to 2015-16, the Scottish Government is committed to spending almost £250 million on addressing fuel poverty and energy efficiency. That funding is crucial to meeting our objective to lever in as much additional funding as we can from the energy companies obligation, local authorities’ resources and European funding. By doing so, we will maximise the investment in delivering energy efficiency measures, increase the number of homes that we can help out of fuel poverty, reduce carbon emissions and create much-needed employment in the green economy.

This year, we have allocated £79 million through our home energy efficiency programmes for Scotland. That is 40 per cent higher in cash terms and 17 per cent higher in real terms than the previous Scottish Labour Administration’s budget of £56.5 million. We are spending far more money on fuel poverty measures than any previous Labour Administration in the Scottish Parliament spent.

The HEEPS initiative provides support to communities across Scotland and allows the most vulnerable residents access to a range of measures that will make their homes warmer and more energy efficient. Through our home energy Scotland hotline, we provide free and impartial advice and support on all our programmes to assist people through the process. I have visited a number of HEEPS projects and have spoken to residents who are benefiting from them. I am always impressed by the positive response not only to the fact that they have a warmer home and reduced fuel bills but to the difference that has been made to the external part of their property, which helps to regenerate the community and make it a more attractive place. We are working hard on that.

However, the changes to the energy companies obligation that the UK Government proposes will make it much harder to bring such benefits to our communities. The UK Government’s analysis states that its proposals will reduce energy companies’ spending on ECO by about £500 million a year across Britain, which represents a reduction of about £50 million a year in Scotland. That could result in up to 1,300 fewer jobs in the low-carbon economy because of a shift away from dealing with hard-to-treat cavities and providing the solid-wall insulation that is needed in Scotland in favour of cheaper measures.

Despite the UK Government’s changes to ECO, we remain on track to deliver all our funding allocation and we are increasing the maximum value of grant support to homes to mitigate the impact of the changes. [Interruption.] Jackie Baillie has something to say about that, but we have got our money out. The provision of the funding was delayed at the start of last year because the UK Government did not publish its guidelines on ECO and the local authorities had to undertake procurement, but this year we have got the funding out. In March, local authorities were told of the money that they would get for the current year. They tell us that they are on track to spend all the funding that the Scottish Government is providing.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Tricia Marwick) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-09747, in the name of Jackie Baillie, on fuel poverty. I give warning that we are extremely tight for tim...
Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab) Lab
I welcome the opportunity to debate fuel poverty. It is well over a year since we debated the subject in the chamber and I am disappointed that it has taken ...
Jim Eadie (Edinburgh Southern) (SNP) SNP
Jackie Baillie will be aware that the Scottish Government has committed £60 million to local authorities. What figure would the Labour Party commit?
Jackie Baillie Lab
We would seek to match that, but we would go further. I invite Jim Eadie to read our challenge paper on fuel poverty, in which we set out a range of measures...
Mike MacKenzie (Highlands and Islands) (SNP) SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
The Presiding Officer NPA
Jackie Baillie is in her last 10 seconds.
Jackie Baillie Lab
We all know the connection between fuel poverty and poverty in general. Given the scale of the scandal that we face, I ask the minister to rise to the challe...
The Minister for Housing and Welfare (Margaret Burgess) SNP
I welcome the opportunity to outline the actions that the Scottish Government has taken and continues to take to combat fuel poverty. The Scottish Government...
Jackie Baillie Lab
Does the minister accept that those official figures do not take into account any of the huge, inflation-busting increases from the big six energy companies?
Margaret Burgess SNP
I accept that the official figures are just what I say they are—official figures. They are all that we can work on. Whenever the Government cites figures, it...
Jackie Baillie Lab
I understand from local authorities that the Government has extended the deadline for the expenditure of the money, because it would not be spent by the end ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
You are in your final minute, minister.
Margaret Burgess SNP
Our budget is being spent on energy efficiency measures in the home. We are delivering more energy efficiency measures per head of population in Scotland tha...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
You must close, please.
Margaret Burgess SNP
I will continue my remarks in my closing speech. I move amendment S4M-09747.2, to leave out from first “notes” to end and insert: “welcomes the publication...
Alex Johnstone (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
Fuel poverty impacts to some extent on every household in Scotland. We have already heard that figures suggest that up to 40 per cent of Scotland’s homes are...
Jackie Baillie Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
Alex Johnstone Con
No. Let me continue. I can inform the member at great length. We have heard a great deal about the big six energy suppliers and the fact that the monopoly p...
Jackie Baillie Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
Alex Johnstone Con
Oh, go on—very briefly.
Jackie Baillie Lab
On a serious note, I am absolutely committed to working with everybody across the chamber to tackle fuel poverty. It will be interesting to see whether the G...
Alex Johnstone Con
I will explain that. The point is very useful to make to the SNP for a completely different reason. During 2008, energy prices peaked, with oil at a value of...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
The member should draw his remarks to a close.
Alex Johnstone Con
There is so much that we could achieve by working together. Come on: let us work together for the benefit of those who need our help. I move amendment S4M-0...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
We are very tight for time. Speeches should be up to four minutes, please. 15:03
Mike MacKenzie (Highlands and Islands) (SNP) SNP
Fuel poverty is a much more complex issue than the Labour motion suggests. It is a function of energy prices, earnings, quality of housing, climate, access t...
Drew Smith (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
Mike MacKenzie SNP
No, thank you. I am short of time. Ofgem has been issuing stark warnings that the lights will go out soon in England if reserve generation capacity is not u...
Murdo Fraser (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
Will Mr MacKenzie give way?
Mike MacKenzie SNP
No, thank you. I am short of time. Further costs are added, with clean-up costs paid by the taxpayer. For example, decommissioning of Sellafield is estimate...