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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 23 April 2014

23 Apr 2014 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Fuel Poverty

We would seek to match that, but we would go further. I invite Jim Eadie to read our challenge paper on fuel poverty, in which we set out a range of measures that we would take. The issue is not about doing just one thing; it is about ensuring that we get the money out the door.

In her amendment, the minister boasts about the size of the budget, but the truth is that it is about £70 million to £79 million a year rolled up over three years to look like a big figure. As Energy Action Scotland and others have said, the reality is that the Government needs to spend four times that amount if it is to have any hope of meeting the 2016 target. In any case, the Government seems to have a problem—I hope that Jim Eadie acknowledges it—with getting money out the door at a time when no one can deny the scale of need.

We have the changes to the energy companies obligation that the Conservative Government has made. The situation is not ideal, but the Scottish Government has known about those changes for a while and has done little to counter them. There is no challenge from the Scottish Government to the big six. To be frank, the annual tea and buns with the minister and cosy chats will no longer do.

The suggestion that independence will solve all the problems is nonsense. We need only look at renewables. I support renewables and investment in them. We do very well with investment in renewables from the UK Government and get substantially more than our population share. The last time that I looked, we received a third of all investment, yet our population share would be one tenth. In an independent Scotland, the burden of renewables investment would fall on Scottish consumers alone, which would increase the average household energy bill by £875 a year. The minister shakes her head, but that is from an independent report by Citigroup. I will send her a copy so that she can read it.

The Scottish Government’s response is simply not good enough. If we look carefully at the report by the Scottish fuel poverty forum, we see that even it tells us so. The forum’s report touches on whether the Government should change the definition of fuel poverty. The minister ruled out any change to the definition in a previous debate, but any change would be a truly pathetic response to a national scandal on the scale that we are seeing.

We know that fuel poverty disproportionately affects low-income and fixed-income households, the elderly, children and those who are suffering from illness. It is a particular problem in rural areas and in the private rented sector. We need to do more to ensure that rural, remote and off-gas-grid areas are better served by the main fuel poverty programmes. I understand that legislation to set minimum standards of energy efficiency in the private sector is planned for 2018, but that could be done much more quickly. It looks as though the rest of the UK will have that in place long before us, so there is no reason for delay.

Labour has published a fuel poverty challenge paper that is full of policy ideas and suggestions. We worked with those in the sector who know what needs to be done and our proposals are shaped by their experience. At a UK level, Labour has pledged to freeze energy bills while reforming the energy market and creating a tough new regulator in place of the Office of Gas and Electricity Markets. It is estimated that such a freeze would save consumers £120 and businesses £1,800 a year.

The real prize is reform of the market and not simply moving green levies from bill payers to taxpayers, which is the SNP’s proposal. Wholesale costs account for half a bill and green levies account for a fraction of it. SNP MPs singularly failed to support a price freeze when it was debated at Westminster. It is clear—to me, at least, but increasingly to the country—that the SNP is siding with the big six energy companies rather than the ordinary people who are struggling to pay their bills.

There is much that we in Scotland can do. Labour’s challenge paper sets out a raft of measures that we could take, including everything from an ambitious house-building programme that would increase the number of energy-efficient homes across the country to paying the living wage to those on the lowest incomes, as well as action on rural areas, the private rented sector, microgeneration and prepayment meters.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Tricia Marwick) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-09747, in the name of Jackie Baillie, on fuel poverty. I give warning that we are extremely tight for tim...
Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab) Lab
I welcome the opportunity to debate fuel poverty. It is well over a year since we debated the subject in the chamber and I am disappointed that it has taken ...
Jim Eadie (Edinburgh Southern) (SNP) SNP
Jackie Baillie will be aware that the Scottish Government has committed £60 million to local authorities. What figure would the Labour Party commit?
Jackie Baillie Lab
We would seek to match that, but we would go further. I invite Jim Eadie to read our challenge paper on fuel poverty, in which we set out a range of measures...
Mike MacKenzie (Highlands and Islands) (SNP) SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
The Presiding Officer NPA
Jackie Baillie is in her last 10 seconds.
Jackie Baillie Lab
We all know the connection between fuel poverty and poverty in general. Given the scale of the scandal that we face, I ask the minister to rise to the challe...
The Minister for Housing and Welfare (Margaret Burgess) SNP
I welcome the opportunity to outline the actions that the Scottish Government has taken and continues to take to combat fuel poverty. The Scottish Government...
Jackie Baillie Lab
Does the minister accept that those official figures do not take into account any of the huge, inflation-busting increases from the big six energy companies?
Margaret Burgess SNP
I accept that the official figures are just what I say they are—official figures. They are all that we can work on. Whenever the Government cites figures, it...
Jackie Baillie Lab
I understand from local authorities that the Government has extended the deadline for the expenditure of the money, because it would not be spent by the end ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
You are in your final minute, minister.
Margaret Burgess SNP
Our budget is being spent on energy efficiency measures in the home. We are delivering more energy efficiency measures per head of population in Scotland tha...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
You must close, please.
Margaret Burgess SNP
I will continue my remarks in my closing speech. I move amendment S4M-09747.2, to leave out from first “notes” to end and insert: “welcomes the publication...
Alex Johnstone (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
Fuel poverty impacts to some extent on every household in Scotland. We have already heard that figures suggest that up to 40 per cent of Scotland’s homes are...
Jackie Baillie Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
Alex Johnstone Con
No. Let me continue. I can inform the member at great length. We have heard a great deal about the big six energy suppliers and the fact that the monopoly p...
Jackie Baillie Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
Alex Johnstone Con
Oh, go on—very briefly.
Jackie Baillie Lab
On a serious note, I am absolutely committed to working with everybody across the chamber to tackle fuel poverty. It will be interesting to see whether the G...
Alex Johnstone Con
I will explain that. The point is very useful to make to the SNP for a completely different reason. During 2008, energy prices peaked, with oil at a value of...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
The member should draw his remarks to a close.
Alex Johnstone Con
There is so much that we could achieve by working together. Come on: let us work together for the benefit of those who need our help. I move amendment S4M-0...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
We are very tight for time. Speeches should be up to four minutes, please. 15:03
Mike MacKenzie (Highlands and Islands) (SNP) SNP
Fuel poverty is a much more complex issue than the Labour motion suggests. It is a function of energy prices, earnings, quality of housing, climate, access t...
Drew Smith (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
Mike MacKenzie SNP
No, thank you. I am short of time. Ofgem has been issuing stark warnings that the lights will go out soon in England if reserve generation capacity is not u...
Murdo Fraser (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
Will Mr MacKenzie give way?
Mike MacKenzie SNP
No, thank you. I am short of time. Further costs are added, with clean-up costs paid by the taxpayer. For example, decommissioning of Sellafield is estimate...