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Meeting of the Parliament 21 January 2014

21 Jan 2014 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Suicide Prevention

In any mental health debate, the prescribing of antidepressants is inevitably raised. It is worth keeping it in mind that medication for mental illness is as valid as medication for coronary heart disease or for arthritis. It is a legitimate form of treatment, when it is appropriately used.

It is fair to say that recently there have been changes to prescribing practices for antidepressants, which has to some extent been because of concerns about how they were being provided to individuals. Sometimes they were prescribed for very short periods and sometimes for extended periods, when clinical evidence has not been so good, in terms of their use. Some of the most recent prescribing data show that clinicians are likely to have individuals on antidepressants for longer and at higher doses because clinical evidence now demonstrates that that is a much more effective way to get the benefit of that medication. When the statistics come out, it looks as if more people are receiving antidepressants for longer, but that reflects the change in prescribing practice. When we talk about such things we need to be very careful that we do not give the impression that use of medicines in treatment of mental illness is in some way secondary.

I want to address access to psychological therapies. Jim Hume raised the point that we should not limit our ambitions to a target of 18 weeks. It is fair to say that Scotland is the only part of the UK that has set such a target in order to drive improvement in access to psychological therapies. It is worth noting that in Scotland the average time for access to such therapies is not 18 weeks, but nine weeks. If a patient requires an urgent referral to a clinical psychologist or another type of therapy, the normal process is the same as the one that is used to refer someone to an orthopaedic surgeon. A person can have an urgent referral, so that they are seen quickly.

There has been an increase in the number of psychologists in the NHS in Scotland and there is a range of equally important therapies that patients can benefit from. There has been mention of physical activity, which can help a person’s mental health and wellbeing. We have the social prescribing aspect of the mental health strategy, which is the green pad: the idea of prescribing physical activity or something else that can help mental wellbeing, rather than medication. The mental health strategy is looking to encourage that and take it forward.

In his contribution, Neil Findlay outlined the scale of the international issue and the increasing problem of suicide around the globe. Between 800,000 and 1 million suicides a year take place around the world, which is why the World Health Organization has set a target to reduce suicides by 10 per cent by 2020. We want to ensure that our strategy helps us to play our part in reducing suicides overall. It is worth noting that in 2012, Scotland’s suicide rate fell below the world global monthly suicide rate, to 14 per 100,000, against the global rate of 16 per 100,000. We are moving in the right direction, but we have to do more.

Neil Findlay also raised issues around data in the strategy and data that he got from local authorities. The data all come from the General Register Office of Scotland and can be broken down into health board and local authority areas. There are some differences because in 2010 the WHO issued guidance that resulted in a change to the coding of particular deaths, which meant that some drug deaths are now classed as suicides. However, the GRO still produces two sets of data: one with the new coding and one with the old coding, which shows the 18 per cent reduction. That is why there is a difference in the data that Neil Findlay referred to, which are being measured against data that were collected over the 10 years of the choose life programme, which started before the GRO introduced its change after the WHO made its recommendations.

A number of members have also made reference to the impact that suicide has on families. I am struck, but not surprised, by the number of members who have been touched in some way by the suicide of a family member or a friend. In my opening speech, I made the extremely important point that suicide is preventable. The data show us that the vast majority of individuals who commit suicide were, prior to doing so, receiving treatment in the form of medication for a mental illness, or had been in contact with GPs, A and E departments or other services.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-08800, in the name of Michael Matheson, on suicide prevention. We have an ample sufficiency of time this...
The Minister for Public Health (Michael Matheson) SNP
I am pleased to open the debate on behalf of the Scottish Government. As the motion says, “significant progress ... has been made in recent years in suici...
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
Suicide affects far too many families and communities throughout the world. It is reported that an astonishing 1 million people commit suicide every year. Th...
Nanette Milne (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
It is customary in most debates to begin by welcoming the issue that has been brought to the chamber for discussion. However, for far too long people have sh...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
Many thanks. We move to the open debate. We have ample time for interventions and I look forward to those things happening. 15:17
Willie Coffey (Kilmarnock and Irvine Valley) (SNP) SNP
Most of us who speak in this debate probably know or know of someone in their community—perhaps even in their family—who has committed suicide. The loss of a...
Graeme Pearson (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I am grateful to members who have shared their knowledge on the subject but, like Nanette Milne, I, too, am not content that we need to discuss this issue an...
Kevin Stewart (Aberdeen Central) (SNP) SNP
I pay tribute to the organisations out there that are doing a huge amount of work in tackling mental health stigma and in trying to prevent suicide—organisat...
Kenneth Gibson (Cunninghame North) (SNP) SNP
Dr Sir Thomas Browne created the word “suicide” meaning “to kill oneself” in the 17th century, but it has always been with us. The early Christian church ex...
Kevin Stewart SNP
I am glad that Mr Gibson talked about the inroads that have been made in relation to reporting. There are a huge number of responsible journalists out there....
Kenneth Gibson SNP
I have never watched that programme so I find it difficult to comment on that one in particular, but all stereotypes involving people with mental health issu...
Jim Hume (South Scotland) (LD) LD
I, too, welcome the publication of the Scottish Government’s new “Suicide Prevention Strategy 2013-2016”, and I commend the minister for providing us with th...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
I call Christine Grahame, who has a generous six minutes. After that, I will be happy to call James Dornan. 15:53
Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP) SNP
I compliment the Parliament on discussing mental health and suicide prevention. In my long time in the Parliament, we seem to have raised those issues many t...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith) Lab
Yes.
Christine Grahame SNP
I ask the minister, who has indicated the issues that he is dealing with, why the ministers for education and children are not also involved in the mental he...
James Dornan (Glasgow Cathcart) (SNP) SNP
I was not going to take part in the debate but, with your indulgence Presiding Officer, I will make a short contribution. Some members have already raised t...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
We now turn to closing speeches. I remind members who participated in the debate that they should be in the chamber for closing speeches. 16:07
Jackson Carlaw (West Scotland) (Con) Con
This is one of these debates to which we contribute as politicians wishing that we knew more about the subject—much more about the subject than any one of us...
Kevin Stewart SNP
I understand—I do not think that this is a Westminster myth—that, for a great number of years, the sons and daughters of newly elected MPs received a letter ...
Jackson Carlaw Con
Potentially, within what Mr Stewart says is the germ of an idea that goes way beyond politicians. Children who have suffered might well be a source of inform...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
I have advised Parliament that I expect all members who have participated in debates to be present for closing speeches. I regret to note that Graeme Pearson...
Rhoda Grant (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
Like many other members, I find it difficult to imagine what drives people to suicide or, indeed, the anguish of family members who are faced with the suicid...
Michael Matheson SNP
I very much welcome the tone of the debate and appreciate the fact that all members support the motion. Over the years we have been able to share a common pu...
Joan McAlpine (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP
I totally agree with the minister’s point about Scotland leading the way in strategies and so on. However, in a 10-year period, we have also seen an increase...
Michael Matheson SNP
In any mental health debate, the prescribing of antidepressants is inevitably raised. It is worth keeping it in mind that medication for mental illness is as...
Christine Grahame SNP
Will the minister take an intervention?
Michael Matheson SNP
Let me just finish my point. If those individuals are in contact with those services, why are we not picking up on their potential risk of committing suicid...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
I can give you about two minutes more.
Christine Grahame SNP
Some members said that some suicides are not detectable and come out the blue. On suicides being preventable, will the minister—before he runs out of time—ad...