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Meeting of the Parliament 21 January 2014

21 Jan 2014 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Suicide Prevention

This is one of these debates to which we contribute as politicians wishing that we knew more about the subject—much more about the subject than any one of us probably does. Therefore, our contributions are all circumscribed by that fact.

To my surprise, we last touched on this topic—I can remember the debate quite clearly—on 24 January last year, when we spoke about mental health issues. I thought that the debate was much more recent than that. There were excellent speeches in that debate from many who have not contributed today—we heard then from Fiona McLeod, Malcolm Chisholm, Richard Simpson, Mary Scanlon, Dennis Robertson, Mary Fee and David Stewart.

In that earlier debate, when we were talking about mental health issues more generally, suicide became a feature of our discussion and at that point the SAMH two too many campaign was mentioned. Even though we are having this debate against a background of a falling number of those who are taking their own lives in Scotland, the two too many campaign illustrates that, each and every day, two people in Scotland take their own lives. In total, that is 14 deaths in every 100,000 against a European average of 16 deaths in every 100,000.

As Neil Findlay said, if we roll it all up into a global figure, the number of people who commit suicide is astonishing. It is not the norm but the exception, but it is against that background that we are seeking—through the strategy that I think all of us are very happy to support—to effectively understand why people commit suicide and to seek to reduce the number further.

Historically and in different cultures there have been different attitudes to suicide, but in Scotland it is a long time since it was a heroic act to defend a nation’s wellbeing in war or since we had any correlation to some sort of old imperial Japanese code of conduct. I have to assume that, for most people, the decision to commit suicide is a bleak, cold and lonely one that is almost always taken for reasons about which our despair should match that of any unfortunate soul who contemplates such an end.

Let us understand the context that we will not eliminate suicide—I agree with James Dornan on that—but that we should pursue policies and actions that will continually militate against the reasons that drive people to thinking of it. In Michael Matheson’s foreword to the strategy document, he sums up the issue by saying simply:

“Every suicide is a tragedy that has a far reaching impact on family, friends and the community long after a person has died.”

That is the general point that every member understands and which is at the heart of the tragedy.

During the debate, all sorts of reasons why people commit suicide have been advanced. As Kenny Gibson said, although he chose not to talk about it today, some people who are faced with some sort of medical prognosis decide that suicide is the right course. Others are driven by a breakdown in relationships or a radical change in fortunes, which might well be relationship driven or to do with careers or finance.

Some people are driven to suicide because they are different. On that issue, as a country, we can take considerable pride in the way in which our culture has changed, certainly since I was young. At that time, if someone was disabled, they could be the subject of ridicule or, if people were gay, that was to be disowned and denied, or worse. There were all manner of other social stigmas that drove people to suicide. As a society at large, we have moved on considerably and, I hope, not so many of those stigmas are now apparent.

Neil Findlay talked about Touched by Suicide, social groups and what we can do to assist people to be better able to develop the skills that will allow them to intuitively recognise those who are at risk. Nanette Milne talked about the impact and potential consequences of the web, which Kevin Stewart and Christine Grahame also touched on.

I am not being flippant when I say that my sons certainly receive lots of comments for being the sons of a Tory MSP, and they have learned to cope with that. It is incredible how many young people find themselves the subject of bullying that is driven by the actions of their parents or the perceptions of their parents. That has a wholly corrosive effect on some young people, but they can have a great reluctance to discuss that in the family, because they feel that in some way they are protecting their parent from what has been said about them. On some dreadful occasions, that has driven young people to suicide.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-08800, in the name of Michael Matheson, on suicide prevention. We have an ample sufficiency of time this...
The Minister for Public Health (Michael Matheson) SNP
I am pleased to open the debate on behalf of the Scottish Government. As the motion says, “significant progress ... has been made in recent years in suici...
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
Suicide affects far too many families and communities throughout the world. It is reported that an astonishing 1 million people commit suicide every year. Th...
Nanette Milne (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
It is customary in most debates to begin by welcoming the issue that has been brought to the chamber for discussion. However, for far too long people have sh...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
Many thanks. We move to the open debate. We have ample time for interventions and I look forward to those things happening. 15:17
Willie Coffey (Kilmarnock and Irvine Valley) (SNP) SNP
Most of us who speak in this debate probably know or know of someone in their community—perhaps even in their family—who has committed suicide. The loss of a...
Graeme Pearson (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I am grateful to members who have shared their knowledge on the subject but, like Nanette Milne, I, too, am not content that we need to discuss this issue an...
Kevin Stewart (Aberdeen Central) (SNP) SNP
I pay tribute to the organisations out there that are doing a huge amount of work in tackling mental health stigma and in trying to prevent suicide—organisat...
Kenneth Gibson (Cunninghame North) (SNP) SNP
Dr Sir Thomas Browne created the word “suicide” meaning “to kill oneself” in the 17th century, but it has always been with us. The early Christian church ex...
Kevin Stewart SNP
I am glad that Mr Gibson talked about the inroads that have been made in relation to reporting. There are a huge number of responsible journalists out there....
Kenneth Gibson SNP
I have never watched that programme so I find it difficult to comment on that one in particular, but all stereotypes involving people with mental health issu...
Jim Hume (South Scotland) (LD) LD
I, too, welcome the publication of the Scottish Government’s new “Suicide Prevention Strategy 2013-2016”, and I commend the minister for providing us with th...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
I call Christine Grahame, who has a generous six minutes. After that, I will be happy to call James Dornan. 15:53
Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP) SNP
I compliment the Parliament on discussing mental health and suicide prevention. In my long time in the Parliament, we seem to have raised those issues many t...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith) Lab
Yes.
Christine Grahame SNP
I ask the minister, who has indicated the issues that he is dealing with, why the ministers for education and children are not also involved in the mental he...
James Dornan (Glasgow Cathcart) (SNP) SNP
I was not going to take part in the debate but, with your indulgence Presiding Officer, I will make a short contribution. Some members have already raised t...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
We now turn to closing speeches. I remind members who participated in the debate that they should be in the chamber for closing speeches. 16:07
Jackson Carlaw (West Scotland) (Con) Con
This is one of these debates to which we contribute as politicians wishing that we knew more about the subject—much more about the subject than any one of us...
Kevin Stewart SNP
I understand—I do not think that this is a Westminster myth—that, for a great number of years, the sons and daughters of newly elected MPs received a letter ...
Jackson Carlaw Con
Potentially, within what Mr Stewart says is the germ of an idea that goes way beyond politicians. Children who have suffered might well be a source of inform...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
I have advised Parliament that I expect all members who have participated in debates to be present for closing speeches. I regret to note that Graeme Pearson...
Rhoda Grant (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
Like many other members, I find it difficult to imagine what drives people to suicide or, indeed, the anguish of family members who are faced with the suicid...
Michael Matheson SNP
I very much welcome the tone of the debate and appreciate the fact that all members support the motion. Over the years we have been able to share a common pu...
Joan McAlpine (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP
I totally agree with the minister’s point about Scotland leading the way in strategies and so on. However, in a 10-year period, we have also seen an increase...
Michael Matheson SNP
In any mental health debate, the prescribing of antidepressants is inevitably raised. It is worth keeping it in mind that medication for mental illness is as...
Christine Grahame SNP
Will the minister take an intervention?
Michael Matheson SNP
Let me just finish my point. If those individuals are in contact with those services, why are we not picking up on their potential risk of committing suicid...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
I can give you about two minutes more.
Christine Grahame SNP
Some members said that some suicides are not detectable and come out the blue. On suicides being preventable, will the minister—before he runs out of time—ad...