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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 03 June 2014

03 Jun 2014 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Air Passenger Duty
Johnstone, Alex Con North East Scotland Watch on SPTV

There we go. There is an example of a positive contribution being made from outside Scotland.

Let us now look at what we are saying about the tax, what it was meant to do and the effect that it is having. Of course, we all know that it was initially proposed as a green tax. It was meant to tax people who were travelling by air and who were, as a result, polluting, but it is now simply considered to be a revenue-raising measure. Nevertheless, we should never make the mistake of believing that taxing people out of the air is likely to have a positive effect on the environment because—as we all know—not only have passenger numbers increased in recent years, but predictions that airlines would not invest in new cleaner aircraft have turned out to be wrong. The result is that the emissions from our aircraft—especially when they are measured per passenger—are dropping very quickly as fleets are renewed and efficiency is improved.

A key aspect of that is that larger aircraft will tend to use hubs. As a result, we in Scotland will rely—as we always have—on feeder services to the major hubs, and cannot hope to bring all those services directly into Scotland. The consequence is that we must concern ourselves not only with the air passenger duty that is being paid in Scotland, but with that which is being paid in London.

So, as I stand here, I am willing to hold out the olive branch and say “Yes—the Calman commission said that air passenger duty should be devolved.” Yesterday, the Conservative Party published the Strathclyde commission report, which sets out what we are prepared to do in the event of a no vote. It is a detailed document that goes into—at great length—the generous proposals for devolution that we will have, in that event. The SNP is getting most excited about one small part of it—the part that said that we would like to see the devolution of APD. However, the SNP misses the point that even if APD were devolved and we were to abolish it all—not just the 50 per cent that the SNP has committed to during the lifetime of the first Parliament of an independent Scotland—the only way that we could properly rid Scotland of APD would be to abolish it on a United Kingdom basis, so that Scottish passengers would not have to pay it at the London end as well as the Scottish end.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Tricia Marwick) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-10185, in the name of Keith Brown, on air passenger duty. We have a wee bit of time in hand, so we will b...
The Minister for Transport and Veterans (Keith Brown) SNP
I welcome the opportunity to come to the chamber to restate the strong case that we have set out for control of air passenger duty coming to Scotland. As me...
Alison McInnes (North East Scotland) (LD) LD
The minister asks for clarity. Perhaps we could have some clarity from him. Yesterday, we learned that the Scottish National Party proposes to increase benef...
Keith Brown SNP
A request from me for clarity from the Liberal Democrats evokes a response asking for clarity about a childcare policy. Perhaps Alison McInnes could use her ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
I call Mark Griffin to speak to and move amendment S4M-010185.2. Mr Griffin, you have a generous nine minutes. 14:55
Mark Griffin (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Another day, another debate on independence. Once again, we are talking about powers and process when we could be talking about reducing poverty and inequali...
Keith Brown SNP
Can Mark Griffin say why it was a point of principle for the Calman commission to agree that APD should be devolved? I understand that he might quibble with ...
Mark Griffin Lab
The point of principle is that we need to take into account economic assessments and environmental assessments. I will deal with that in my speech but, from ...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
Will the member give way?
Mark Griffin Lab
No, sorry. It is no surprise that the SNP wants that power over tax, since the Government is an all-centralising force in Edinburgh and never misses an oppo...
Colin Keir (Edinburgh Western) (SNP) SNP
What are the views of Mr Griffin and the Labour Party on the York Aviation report, which showed the devastating effect that APD has on Scottish airports, and...
Mark Griffin Lab
The Government has failed to have any assessment of the policy before introducing it. With regard to the papers that the member mentioned, I agree that there...
Chic Brodie (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP
Will the member give way?
Mark Griffin Lab
What is progressive about a tax cut to big business of £135 million through the reduction of air passenger duty, on top of the £385 million that would be giv...
Chic Brodie SNP
Will the member give way?
Mark Griffin Lab
Let us look at the detail of the proposal. The Scottish Government has said that the costs of reducing APD could be offset by increased VAT receipts as a res...
Chic Brodie SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
The member has made it clear that he is not taking an intervention, Mr Brodie.
Mark Griffin Lab
That is not to say that we are opposed to the reform of air passenger duty. However, during any such considerations, the full implications of any reform shou...
Alex Johnstone (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
I start from a position of enormous advantage in the debate, because I was brought up to believe that all tax is evil. My experience of a career in politics ...
Colin Keir SNP
Given that Mr Johnstone is a fine, dyed-in-the-wool Tory, does he not agree—based on his own political judgment in the past and so on—that the change of owne...
Alex Johnstone Con
There we go. There is an example of a positive contribution being made from outside Scotland. Let us now look at what we are saying about the tax, what it w...
Chic Brodie SNP
Why is it okay to give Northern Ireland powers to reduce APD, but not Scotland?
Alex Johnstone Con
The irony of Chic Brodie’s position is that he takes the place of the unionist: the man who looks from the centre and believes that everything should be equa...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
Gosh!
Alex Johnstone Con
I move amendment S4M-10185.1, to leave out from “with concern” to end and insert: “the recent changes announced by the Chancellor of the Exchequer, which si...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
You have six minutes, or thereby, Mr Harvie. 15:12
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green) Green
How do I follow that? I can only reflect that I must have been raised with a fundamentally different understanding of the word “evil” from Alex Johnstone. I ...
Chic Brodie SNP
This is the question that I wanted to ask Mr Griffin. The Netherlands got rid of APD because although it was raising €250 million, the country was losing €75...
Patrick Harvie Green
If we stop raising a tax, less income will come to the public budget, so cuts will be have to made somewhere. To answer the question of whether cutting, or ...