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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 03 June 2014

03 Jun 2014 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Air Passenger Duty
Brown, Keith SNP Clackmannanshire and Dunblane Watch on SPTV

A request from me for clarity from the Liberal Democrats evokes a response asking for clarity about a childcare policy. Perhaps Alison McInnes could use her own time to answer the question that I asked rather than avoiding it in the way that she did.

The Labour Party position changed dramatically between April 2013 and March 2014. Originally, Labour proposed to support the devolution of APD, but that has changed in its latest devolution proposals. I do not know what the rationale for that is, but perhaps we can have some clarity on that in the debate.

Those who are not in favour of control of APD coming to Scotland are swimming against the tide. We have laid out the reasons why it is important that Scotland should have control over the tax. The York Aviation study and other studies have estimated the costs to Scotland at around £200 million per year at 2014 levels.

We know that people in South America and North America consider APD. I have been given the example of flights from Mexico. Entire planeloads of people decide to go to Paris or other European capitals rather than come to the UK and Scotland and they cite two reasons: APD and visa controls. That involves real cost because, had those people come to Scotland, they would have spent money in our shops, hotels and restaurants to the benefit of our people. That is no longer happening.

The York Aviation study mentioned a loss of £2 billion to the UK. That is a huge figure and a huge loss. We can boost jobs and the economy and cut back on some of the expensive connecting flights that we currently have to have by having more direct flights. For that reason, I am happy to move the motion.

I move,

That the Parliament notes with concern the continuing prevarication of the UK Government in devolving control of air passenger duty (APD) despite the clear recommendation of the Calman Commission on Scottish Devolution in 2009, evidence of the damaging impact of the significant increases in APD since 2007 and the growing campaign for control for it to be devolved; further notes the APD changes that were announced in the 2014 UK Budget, which, from April 2015, will amend the existing four-band system and, as a consequence, reduce duty paid on journeys of more than 4,000 miles; further notes that, based on the international destinations currently served from Scotland’s airports, this will be of minimal immediate value to Scotland; believes that improving Scotland’s international air connectivity and the ability of its aviation sector to properly compete with global competitors is a matter that needs to be urgently addressed; considers that this would be assisted by control of APD being devolved, and believes that, in the event of a Yes vote in the independence referendum, the UK Government should devolve this as a matter of priority in order to enable the Scottish Government to progress the proposals contained in Scotland’s Future: Your Guide to an Independent Scotland to reduce APD by 50% in the first term of an independent Scottish Parliament and to seek to abolish it when public finances allow.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Tricia Marwick) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-10185, in the name of Keith Brown, on air passenger duty. We have a wee bit of time in hand, so we will b...
The Minister for Transport and Veterans (Keith Brown) SNP
I welcome the opportunity to come to the chamber to restate the strong case that we have set out for control of air passenger duty coming to Scotland. As me...
Alison McInnes (North East Scotland) (LD) LD
The minister asks for clarity. Perhaps we could have some clarity from him. Yesterday, we learned that the Scottish National Party proposes to increase benef...
Keith Brown SNP
A request from me for clarity from the Liberal Democrats evokes a response asking for clarity about a childcare policy. Perhaps Alison McInnes could use her ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
I call Mark Griffin to speak to and move amendment S4M-010185.2. Mr Griffin, you have a generous nine minutes. 14:55
Mark Griffin (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Another day, another debate on independence. Once again, we are talking about powers and process when we could be talking about reducing poverty and inequali...
Keith Brown SNP
Can Mark Griffin say why it was a point of principle for the Calman commission to agree that APD should be devolved? I understand that he might quibble with ...
Mark Griffin Lab
The point of principle is that we need to take into account economic assessments and environmental assessments. I will deal with that in my speech but, from ...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
Will the member give way?
Mark Griffin Lab
No, sorry. It is no surprise that the SNP wants that power over tax, since the Government is an all-centralising force in Edinburgh and never misses an oppo...
Colin Keir (Edinburgh Western) (SNP) SNP
What are the views of Mr Griffin and the Labour Party on the York Aviation report, which showed the devastating effect that APD has on Scottish airports, and...
Mark Griffin Lab
The Government has failed to have any assessment of the policy before introducing it. With regard to the papers that the member mentioned, I agree that there...
Chic Brodie (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP
Will the member give way?
Mark Griffin Lab
What is progressive about a tax cut to big business of £135 million through the reduction of air passenger duty, on top of the £385 million that would be giv...
Chic Brodie SNP
Will the member give way?
Mark Griffin Lab
Let us look at the detail of the proposal. The Scottish Government has said that the costs of reducing APD could be offset by increased VAT receipts as a res...
Chic Brodie SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
The member has made it clear that he is not taking an intervention, Mr Brodie.
Mark Griffin Lab
That is not to say that we are opposed to the reform of air passenger duty. However, during any such considerations, the full implications of any reform shou...
Alex Johnstone (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
I start from a position of enormous advantage in the debate, because I was brought up to believe that all tax is evil. My experience of a career in politics ...
Colin Keir SNP
Given that Mr Johnstone is a fine, dyed-in-the-wool Tory, does he not agree—based on his own political judgment in the past and so on—that the change of owne...
Alex Johnstone Con
There we go. There is an example of a positive contribution being made from outside Scotland. Let us now look at what we are saying about the tax, what it w...
Chic Brodie SNP
Why is it okay to give Northern Ireland powers to reduce APD, but not Scotland?
Alex Johnstone Con
The irony of Chic Brodie’s position is that he takes the place of the unionist: the man who looks from the centre and believes that everything should be equa...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
Gosh!
Alex Johnstone Con
I move amendment S4M-10185.1, to leave out from “with concern” to end and insert: “the recent changes announced by the Chancellor of the Exchequer, which si...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
You have six minutes, or thereby, Mr Harvie. 15:12
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green) Green
How do I follow that? I can only reflect that I must have been raised with a fundamentally different understanding of the word “evil” from Alex Johnstone. I ...
Chic Brodie SNP
This is the question that I wanted to ask Mr Griffin. The Netherlands got rid of APD because although it was raising €250 million, the country was losing €75...
Patrick Harvie Green
If we stop raising a tax, less income will come to the public budget, so cuts will be have to made somewhere. To answer the question of whether cutting, or ...