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Meeting of the Parliament 18 June 2014

18 Jun 2014 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Scotland’s Future

Not at the moment.

More than that, we have set out how policies to boost productivity, grow our population and increase participation in the labour market could boost our tax receipts by an additional £5 billion a year.

We have also proudly produced proposals to reindustrialise Scotland, something that the Labour Party might once have found it within itself to agree with and back, and we have set out how we can use policy levers to strengthen manufacturing, promote innovation and encourage trade and investment. All of those aims should be the aims and ambitions of every party in the chamber.

That is what is so dispiriting about the Labour motion. There is no alternative plan to increase employment, to grow the economy or to grow our working age population. Labour’s only solution to the challenges that we face is to leave things to Westminster and hope for the best. That is not good enough. The most high-risk approach imaginable to Scotland’s public finances is to leave the decisions on our funding to the Treasury, knowing that the chancellor and his opposite number are planning further cuts, and to leave the Barnett formula in the hands of the Treasury, knowing that senior voices in all parties want to cut Scotland’s budget by up to £4 billion.

We are offering the alternative to that. The way to secure the resources of Scotland and our public finances is through independence; to retain in Scotland the tax raised in Scotland; and to retain the benefits of our economic policies to ensure that our investment in infrastructure or childcare results in increased tax receipts and further investment, instead of disappearing into the Treasury.

The simple fact is that this is a choice between two futures: on the one hand, hope, ambition and optimism, and on the other, a dreary, dismal and depressing outlook. Independence—in other words, not relying or being dependent on Westminster—is the best way to secure the future of our economy, our public services and the people of this country. That is why I am proud to move the amendment in my name.

I move amendment S4M-10353.3, to leave out from “recognises” to end and insert:

“notes that its record of delivery under devolution demonstrates that decisions about Scotland are best taken by the people who live and work in Scotland; welcomes the Scottish Government’s recently published proposals to use the powers of an independent country to reindustrialise Scotland, to improve Scotland’s economic growth and strengthen public finances; further welcomes the publication of the proposals of the Expert Working Group on Welfare to create a fair, simple and personal welfare system in an independent Scotland; notes that the joint statement from the Scottish Labour, Scottish Conservative and Scottish Liberal Democrat parties contains no commitment to specific further powers and that any further devolution would require the agreement of the UK Government and the UK Parliament, whatever the views of the people of Scotland, in contrast to the proposed interim constitution, which would ensure that sovereignty is held by the people of Scotland, and believes that only independence guarantees Scotland the powers to create a democratic, prosperous and fairer country.”

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The Presiding Officer (Tricia Marwick) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-10353, in the name of Johann Lamont, on Scotland’s future. 14:40
Johann Lamont (Glasgow Pollok) (Lab) Lab
Earlier this week I joined my colleagues in the Scottish Conservatives and the Scottish Liberal Democrats to pledge more powers for Scotland. The people of S...
Chic Brodie (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP
After that litany of how poor we are all going to be, can the member tell me what the trade position of Scotland is compared with the trade position of the UK?
Johann Lamont Lab
If the member had listened to what I said, he would know that those are the views of independent experts. We know how good SNP members are at plucking a figu...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
Can the member guarantee that, if we stay in the UK, the Scottish budget will not be cut?
Johann Lamont Lab
Certainly, if there is a Labour Government back in power—Interruption.
The Presiding Officer NPA
Order.
Johann Lamont Lab
We know how desperately the SNP back benchers are praying for a Conservative victory in 2015. They always put their own interests ahead of those of the peopl...
Richard Lyle (Central Scotland) (SNP) SNP
That is outrageous.
The Presiding Officer NPA
Order.
Johann Lamont Lab
The SNP must confront the real world. Interruption.
The Presiding Officer NPA
Order.
Johann Lamont Lab
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The Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Infrastructure, Investment and Cities (Nicola Sturgeon) SNP
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Gavin Brown (Lothian) (Con) Con
Given that she has said that Scotland would be the 14th richest country in the OECD, does the Deputy First Minister not feel a little bit silly for saying in...
Nicola Sturgeon SNP
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Malcolm Chisholm (Edinburgh Northern and Leith) (Lab) Lab
Will the cabinet secretary take an intervention?
Nicola Sturgeon SNP
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Malcolm Chisholm Lab
Will the cabinet secretary give way?
Nicola Sturgeon SNP
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Annabel Goldie (West Scotland) (Con) Con
Will the Deputy First Minister give way?
Nicola Sturgeon SNP
I am coming to you, Miss Goldie, so be patient. The Labour motion talks down Scotland in virtually every line.
Johann Lamont Lab
If Nicola Sturgeon knew about the proud history of the Labour Party, she would know that it is about solidarity and co-operation across the whole of the UK. ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
Order.
Johann Lamont Lab
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Nicola Sturgeon SNP
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Annabel Goldie Con
Will the Deputy First Minister give way?
Nicola Sturgeon SNP
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Gavin Brown Con
Will the Deputy First Minister give way?
Nicola Sturgeon SNP
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