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Meeting of the Parliament 05 June 2014

05 Jun 2014 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Improving Entrepreneurship among Women and Young People
McKelvie, Christina SNP Hamilton, Larkhall and Stonehouse Watch on SPTV

There are now more female than male graduates, so it is shocking that young women should still be victims of outdated and ingrained chauvinism. At least half of the skills base for a new independent Scotland lies with women, whether they are graduates or not, but too many are still frightened to test out their entrepreneurial talent. One young woman told me that it is almost as if the culture is willing us to fail, that setting up a business is too big a gamble, and that we are somehow bound to fail.

That is an attitude that we have to take on head-on and break. Young women should go on, try it, and start out on their own. The worst that can happen is that their first attempt does not work out, but they might end up as the next Anita Roddick, for example. It is not so different from a first job, and it might not be where someone stays for all their life, but the experience gained will take them to the next turning in their life.

Increasing the number of women entrepreneurs to match the number of men would generate more than £7 billion for our economy, which would have a huge impact. The Government wants to achieve that goal, and to make sure that the infrastructure is in place to encourage women, especially young women, to pick up and run with their entrepreneurial ideas.

Last week, at an event in the garden lobby that looked at aids and adaptations, I met Catherine Bland. Catherine had an accident that meant that she had to use crutches for a number of months. Not letting having crutches get in the way of her busy life, she developed a homemade product that she called the Hopper. It is essentially a big belt or apron with lots of pockets in it that holds everything needed for a busy day. She likes to bake, so she could carry all her baking stuff. When she wanted to read, she could carry her magazines and her phone. Other people could use it to carry their medication and other things. It is a brilliant idea, and Catherine developed that idea into a product that has helped to transform the lives of many people who have had injuries or have disabilities. It is a simple idea, but it is a brilliant idea.

There is a 13 per cent gap between men’s and women’s full-time hourly rates of pay, and a 33.7 per cent gap when we compare women’s part-time hourly rate with men’s full-time hourly rate. If we had any doubt that women are undervalued, what about the fact that parental childcare is not counted towards the gross domestic product and is considered to be leisure? Let us test that out. Many members will have brought up toddlers or spent time with them—did they call it leisure? In some cases it was, but a lot of it was hard work, and our skills in people management and negotiation are well honed in that situation.

Just seven of Scotland’s top 30 listed companies had a female executive two years ago. Only 37 of 242 board positions, executive and non-executive, in the top 30 companies were occupied by women in 2012. Even though there are annual increases, 27.6 per cent was the figure in 2012, which left 84.7 per cent of seats being filled by men.

Scottish women make up 52 per cent of the population, and in October 2013, female employment in Scotland reached its highest level since 1992 at 69 per cent. Let us look at the progress on that. Female self-employment has increased in recent years from 80,800 in 2008 to 93,900 in 2013, which is an increase of 16.2 per cent. At the moment, only 21 per cent of small and medium-sized enterprise employers are women-led, and only 31 per cent of self-employed Scots are women.

To address that enterprise gap, in 2013 the Scottish Government established a series of workshops chaired by Professor Sara Carter, former head of the Hunter centre at the University of Strathclyde, and Jackie Brierton of Women’s Enterprise Scotland. That is a great advance, and such a can-do attitude reaps great rewards.

As I said earlier, women now make up the majority of university graduates but we do not see that reflected in our boardrooms. The Scottish Government does not have the power to change that situation. We have some and we are doing what we can, but we need that yes vote to take it further. My colleague, cabinet secretary Shona Robison, says in her report “Women on Board: Quality through Diversity”:

“Our aim for Scotland is to make the best use of talents of all of our people, regardless of age, race, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, disability or religion.”

I do not think that those are just words. The actions are being taken just now, and I believe that members from across the chamber support that.

By taking action on these issues and removing the barriers that stand in the way of women realising their potential, we will improve economic participation—£7 billion-worth of economic participation. We will also contribute to making Scotland a wealthier and fairer place, which we all want, and ensure that no one is held back because of their gender and that public bodies are more fairly reflective of society as a whole.

We can improve the situation. We are already very active in listening and in challenging assumptions—I think that we all do that every day of our lives. We are encouraging employers to offer more flexible, home-based and part-time work. We are also seeking to get rid of the stereotyping that goes on in the modern apprenticeship programme: the cabinet secretary will be very well aware that one of my bugbears is seeing posters that show men with ladders, because they are building, and women with scissors, because they are cutting hair. I would like to swap that around. Let us give the women the ladders and the hard hats and the men the aprons and the scissors. I think that that would be great, but that is just a wee aside from me. We know that we have made great strides in apprenticeships and we continue to make those strides, but getting women into apprenticeships has to be a priority.

The most crucial and obvious change is in the transformational childcare policy. Once we raise the money to do that, the difference that it will make to the opportunities for women is threefold. There will be more women in work, which increases the tax take; more job opportunities in childcare to meet that aspiration; and a more positive, motivated outlook for women and their children.

History has dictated that women stay at home minding the children or elderly relatives. Not only do they not get paid for that; they give up any right to the career that they previously had. Poor supply and high costs of childcare prevent women from working. It is in recognition of that reality, and the follow-on truth that their absence constricts our economic growth, that this Government has promised an entirely different approach to childcare that will make that difference. We have the foresight to see that if we open the doors, women will come through into the workplace with competence and confidence. If we create those opportunities, the results are endless.

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In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
Good afternoon, everyone. The first item of business this afternoon is a debate on motion S4M-10214, in the name of Angela Constance, on improving entreprene...
The Cabinet Secretary for Training, Youth and Women’s Employment (Angela Constance) SNP
I am very pleased to open this debate on promoting entrepreneurship among women and young people. If we are to achieve our potential as a nation, it is impor...
Jenny Marra (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
On the very important point about women in business, does the cabinet secretary agree that any policy to encourage enterprise—for females or anyone—has to be...
Angela Constance SNP
I am glad that Ms Marra could turn up to this afternoon’s debate. Once again, we are revisiting some well-rehearsed arguments about college reform. As Ms Mar...
Jenny Marra Lab
Will the cabinet secretary give way?
Angela Constance SNP
No, thank you. I am still answering Ms Marra’s question. The move towards full-time courses with recognised qualifications has been to the benefit of young ...
Kezia Dugdale (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
Will the cabinet secretary give way?
Angela Constance SNP
No. I must point out that part-time courses and, indeed, older learners are not being excluded as a result of that. If people are serious about women taking...
Jenny Marra (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
First of all, Presiding Officer, I apologise for being slightly late in getting to the chamber this afternoon. This is not the first time that we have come ...
Angela Constance SNP
Does Ms Marra acknowledge that the head count has reduced because the number of full-time equivalents and full-time courses has increased? Does she also ackn...
Jenny Marra Lab
The cabinet secretary can dance on the head of a pin on the issue, but any member of the Parliament who speaks to people in their communities who are on wait...
Fiona McLeod (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (SNP) SNP
Does Ms Marra not accept that the number of full-time equivalents is the accepted measure of how many people are at college? That is the measure that is acce...
Jenny Marra Lab
I accept the information that the Scottish funding council has given me, which is that there are 140,000 fewer college places. The environment is much more d...
Murdo Fraser (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
As the first man to speak in the debate, which I suspect will have its own gender imbalance, I feel a little outnumbered. However, I am sure that the Presidi...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
Do not count on it.
Murdo Fraser Con
I welcome the Scottish Government’s giving us the opportunity to debate the important issue of improving entrepreneurship. It is fair to say that, as a count...
Willie Rennie (Mid Scotland and Fife) (LD) LD
It is a pleasure to take part in the debate. I am not especially qualified to do so, as I am not a woman or young any more, but I am ready to stand beside Mu...
Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP) SNP
I will speak about the early part of the Government motion, which states: “That the Parliament recognises the positive impact of entrepreneurial activity by...
Christina McKelvie (Hamilton, Larkhall and Stonehouse) (SNP) SNP
There are now more female than male graduates, so it is shocking that young women should still be victims of outdated and ingrained chauvinism. At least half...
Kezia Dugdale (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
I very much welcome the strategy and the opportunity to debate it. I am pleased to see the cabinet secretary in her place, focusing on the gender aspect of h...
Dennis Robertson (Aberdeenshire West) (SNP) SNP
I got slightly concerned as I listened to Murdo Fraser because I actually agreed with him on most aspects. It is worrying that the convener of the Economy, E...
Jenny Marra Lab
The member makes an interesting point about Germany. Does he agree that the German situation has been helped by legislative measures that put the onus on bus...
Dennis Robertson SNP
The Scottish Government has done an absolutely wonderful job of promoting apprenticeships. There are more than 25,000 apprentices. More can always be done, b...
Joan McAlpine (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP
In their speeches—particularly those about their own constituents—members have shown that there is absolutely no lack of talent and ambition among our young ...
Dennis Robertson SNP
Did the women to whom Joan McAlpine refers do that by choice or because they felt that it was the only opportunity given the stereotypical aspects of the trade?
Joan McAlpine SNP
I would say that the women to whom I am referring, who run their own beauty and hairdressing businesses, did that by choice. They felt very passionate about ...
Malcolm Chisholm (Edinburgh Northern and Leith) (Lab) Lab
The cabinet secretary said at the beginning of her speech that the enterprise journey begins in school, and I think that we all agree with that. In fact, t...
Angela Constance SNP
I point out that the youth unemployment rate remains at 18.8 per cent, whereas the unemployment rate for women is 5.9 per cent. I do not think for one minute...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
You may take some extra time, Mr Chisholm.
Malcolm Chisholm Lab
Okay. I say, just to finish the point, that if we could have 50 per cent of the funding for women under 25 at the childcare academy and 50 per cent for those...