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Meeting of the Parliament 05 June 2014

05 Jun 2014 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Improving Entrepreneurship among Women and Young People
Marra, Jenny Lab North East Scotland Watch on SPTV

First of all, Presiding Officer, I apologise for being slightly late in getting to the chamber this afternoon.

This is not the first time that we have come to the chamber to address the impacts of gender inequality on our economy, and nor will it be the last. However, I hope that this debate will not rage on for too much longer and that, very soon, it will be recognised across Scotland, the UK, Europe and the wider world that our economy will be stronger, more prosperous and more sustainable only when women are an integral driving force in it.

Today we are focused on what can be done here in Scotland to allow women to set up their own businesses. Already this year we have seen movement from the Scottish Government on the role of women in our economy and decision making. Nicola Sturgeon committed to gender quotas on the boards of private companies as she launched the white paper for independence, and Shona Robison upset her loyal horses in the Dundee Scottish National Party last week by committing to 40 per cent gender quotas on public boards. She might still have to win that debate in the unreformed ranks of her own councillors and party, but she will find friends on these benches for that policy. Long committed as a party to 50:50 representation, and driving that through our own elected structures, Labour lodged amendments on 40:40:20 gender quotas for public boards two years ago. The SNP voted against my amendments that day, but I am delighted that it has now been won round to the policy.

Why are women’s voices on these boards important? For the same reason that we must do everything that we can to let women’s business flourish: because when only one part of the community is represented, or is predominantly represented, decisions are made in that section’s favour. That applies to business and consumption as well as decisions for public services.

I am a co-convener of the cross-party group in the Scottish Parliament on computer games. That industry is dominated by men. In several discussions, privately with the sector and publicly in the cross-party group, the gender issue has been raised. How can we get more women into the computer games industry? How can we get more women to start their own gaming companies? I asked the industry experts why that is important, and they answered that it is because women are becoming bigger consumers of games and the online experience, so more female-intuitive products will sell better and more to female consumers. That makes sense to me. Clearly, the female market in gaming is not yet fully exploited, but it will probably only be so when women are designing the games and leading the companies that market and sell them.

Having more women in business is about economic expansion. It is about exploiting new markets and finding opportunities in new markets. I put that thesis to the Entrepreneurial Exchange in a conversation that I had with it yesterday, in advance of this debate. It agreed with the position. It also raised issues of women’s confidence to take the plunge into business and identified the tendency of women who are returning to work after their children’s early years to take the decision at that point in their lives—perhaps in their late 30s or early 40s—to set up a business.

It was with that view from industry experts in mind that I analysed the findings of the Government’s proposals for women in enterprise. There is much in there that I think will be useful, such as the mentoring and networking schemes, and the role model project. I was pleased to see that the Scottish Government will be reaching out beyond the public sector networks and working hand in hand with the Prince’s Trust, Entrepreneurial Spark and the Entrepreneurial Exchange. As ever, those schemes will be successful through the use of key ambassadors and an awareness of the support that is available for them.

On gender-specific support—point 4 in the minister’s report—I know that the Scottish Government will hold conversations with the banks to encourage them to develop their female customers’ businesses. However, will the minister return to the chamber at a later date to update us on how those conversations go and what commitments or initiatives the banks in Scotland are taking to move that forward? It is good to hold the conversations but, if that is going to be part of the Government’s strategy, we need to be able to scrutinise what action is being taken and how that is going.

I turn to the amendments to the motion. Labour will support the Conservative amendment at decision time, as we agree that there is much in the report of the Wood commission that is to be commended. Indeed, until I received the motion, I had half expected this afternoon’s debate to be on that report, as it was published earlier this week. I hope that we will have a chance to debate that extremely important document in full before the summer recess.

Johann Lamont and I met Sir Ian Wood just last week. We are very grateful to him for the time and commitment that he has put into examining the challenges around youth employment in Scotland. It is a seminal report that contains many key recommendations, and I know that the cabinet secretary will want to bring it before Parliament for debate, to ensure that we scrutinise it and do it justice straight after its publication.

I turn to the Labour Party’s amendment to the Government motion. We have put college places on the agenda for today’s debate because we cannot seriously consider new opportunities for women and youth skills while ignoring the underfunding of our colleges. Opportunities in further education are central to the substance of the debate and they underpin the proposals in the Wood commission’s report, which the cabinet secretary is backing.

I was extremely surprised by the cabinet secretary’s response to my intervention. She seemed to suggest that I was misrepresenting the nature of college reform. The Labour amendment says:

“the loss of 140,000 college places since 2007-08 is undermining the achievement of this objective.”

The statistic that there are 140,000 fewer college places since this Government took power is taken straight from the cabinet secretary’s agency, the Scottish Further and Higher Education Funding Council.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
Good afternoon, everyone. The first item of business this afternoon is a debate on motion S4M-10214, in the name of Angela Constance, on improving entreprene...
The Cabinet Secretary for Training, Youth and Women’s Employment (Angela Constance) SNP
I am very pleased to open this debate on promoting entrepreneurship among women and young people. If we are to achieve our potential as a nation, it is impor...
Jenny Marra (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
On the very important point about women in business, does the cabinet secretary agree that any policy to encourage enterprise—for females or anyone—has to be...
Angela Constance SNP
I am glad that Ms Marra could turn up to this afternoon’s debate. Once again, we are revisiting some well-rehearsed arguments about college reform. As Ms Mar...
Jenny Marra Lab
Will the cabinet secretary give way?
Angela Constance SNP
No, thank you. I am still answering Ms Marra’s question. The move towards full-time courses with recognised qualifications has been to the benefit of young ...
Kezia Dugdale (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
Will the cabinet secretary give way?
Angela Constance SNP
No. I must point out that part-time courses and, indeed, older learners are not being excluded as a result of that. If people are serious about women taking...
Jenny Marra (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
First of all, Presiding Officer, I apologise for being slightly late in getting to the chamber this afternoon. This is not the first time that we have come ...
Angela Constance SNP
Does Ms Marra acknowledge that the head count has reduced because the number of full-time equivalents and full-time courses has increased? Does she also ackn...
Jenny Marra Lab
The cabinet secretary can dance on the head of a pin on the issue, but any member of the Parliament who speaks to people in their communities who are on wait...
Fiona McLeod (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (SNP) SNP
Does Ms Marra not accept that the number of full-time equivalents is the accepted measure of how many people are at college? That is the measure that is acce...
Jenny Marra Lab
I accept the information that the Scottish funding council has given me, which is that there are 140,000 fewer college places. The environment is much more d...
Murdo Fraser (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
As the first man to speak in the debate, which I suspect will have its own gender imbalance, I feel a little outnumbered. However, I am sure that the Presidi...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
Do not count on it.
Murdo Fraser Con
I welcome the Scottish Government’s giving us the opportunity to debate the important issue of improving entrepreneurship. It is fair to say that, as a count...
Willie Rennie (Mid Scotland and Fife) (LD) LD
It is a pleasure to take part in the debate. I am not especially qualified to do so, as I am not a woman or young any more, but I am ready to stand beside Mu...
Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP) SNP
I will speak about the early part of the Government motion, which states: “That the Parliament recognises the positive impact of entrepreneurial activity by...
Christina McKelvie (Hamilton, Larkhall and Stonehouse) (SNP) SNP
There are now more female than male graduates, so it is shocking that young women should still be victims of outdated and ingrained chauvinism. At least half...
Kezia Dugdale (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
I very much welcome the strategy and the opportunity to debate it. I am pleased to see the cabinet secretary in her place, focusing on the gender aspect of h...
Dennis Robertson (Aberdeenshire West) (SNP) SNP
I got slightly concerned as I listened to Murdo Fraser because I actually agreed with him on most aspects. It is worrying that the convener of the Economy, E...
Jenny Marra Lab
The member makes an interesting point about Germany. Does he agree that the German situation has been helped by legislative measures that put the onus on bus...
Dennis Robertson SNP
The Scottish Government has done an absolutely wonderful job of promoting apprenticeships. There are more than 25,000 apprentices. More can always be done, b...
Joan McAlpine (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP
In their speeches—particularly those about their own constituents—members have shown that there is absolutely no lack of talent and ambition among our young ...
Dennis Robertson SNP
Did the women to whom Joan McAlpine refers do that by choice or because they felt that it was the only opportunity given the stereotypical aspects of the trade?
Joan McAlpine SNP
I would say that the women to whom I am referring, who run their own beauty and hairdressing businesses, did that by choice. They felt very passionate about ...
Malcolm Chisholm (Edinburgh Northern and Leith) (Lab) Lab
The cabinet secretary said at the beginning of her speech that the enterprise journey begins in school, and I think that we all agree with that. In fact, t...
Angela Constance SNP
I point out that the youth unemployment rate remains at 18.8 per cent, whereas the unemployment rate for women is 5.9 per cent. I do not think for one minute...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
You may take some extra time, Mr Chisholm.
Malcolm Chisholm Lab
Okay. I say, just to finish the point, that if we could have 50 per cent of the funding for women under 25 at the childcare academy and 50 per cent for those...