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Meeting of the Parliament 25 March 2014

25 Mar 2014 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Young and Novice Drivers and Graduated Driver Licensing
Brown, Keith SNP Clackmannanshire and Dunblane Watch on SPTV

I agree with James Kelly that, in general, the debate has been constructive and that speeches have been high quality. I will try to refer to those speeches.

Mark Griffin raised a number of education issues. We have a number of education campaigns, one of which is called kids in the car. Whenever we launch public marketing campaigns, we leave ourselves open to a bit of fun being poked at us. The idea behind the campaign was that, as Alex Johnstone said, people start to learn about driving from an early age—from the minute they get into a car at whatever age—and they take on board some of their parents’ habits.

We have a safe road-user award, which is available in the Scottish Qualifications Authority suite of courses and can be accessed by approved centres. We also have young driver initiatives—for example, cut it out in Strathclyde, and driving ambition in Grampian. We also heard about Dave Stewart’s initiative; as Stewart Stevenson did, I acknowledge the work that he has done on the issue over a number of years. We also have a number of other initiatives, such as crash magnets, which is a road safety education resource that is designed for use by 14 to 17-year-olds in secondaries 3 to 6.

Mark Griffin asked about Police Scotland. Whatever has been said about Police Scotland—Alex Johnstone made fairly strong remarks about road policing—I think that the trunk roads policing unit is an extremely good resource. Focus is being brought to bear on the issues, and it is certainly not in any instance left to cameras to do the work for the police, although cameras are a form of policing in their own right.

Campaigns are going on. Mark Griffin made a good and interesting point about rehabilitation, which I will go away and consider, if he does not mind. I do not think that the Scottish Prison Service has an initiative on the offences that were referred to, although some courses can be done after a custodial sentence.

Stewart Stevenson mentioned his Austin 7, which had a top speed of 28mph, and Marilyn Monroe. The only thing that he has in common with her is his alliterative name.

My first car was a Wolseley 16/60. I am not that old, but it might surprise people of Mark Griffin’s age that that car had a starting handle at the front. I did not have to use it, but it could be used if the car did not start with the key. I can honestly say that I never crashed that car, but that is because it took a year and half to get from nought to 60mph. That underlines the point that Stewart Stevenson made about the way in which technology has developed and cars have become much more powerful.

Clare Adamson mentioned—as a number of members did—black-box technology, or telematics, as it is often called. There is a great deal of merit in that idea, but it tends to be more relevant if the young person owns the vehicle. Things are sometimes much more difficult if the vehicle is owned by somebody else, as can be the case.

Members have mentioned that there has been some resistance to GDL scheme proposals, but there is also resistance to the idea of mentoring or monitoring young people. However, we believe that that is an interesting initiative that has been brought up by motoring organisations and insurance providers. We are keeping an eye on it, because we think that it has real potential.

Tavish Scott’s speech was perhaps the most discordant today; in fact, he got increasingly angry as he went on. One point that he made was that the debate has been a device to try to further the constitutional argument and to have a go at Westminster. We did not start from that position; we started in broad agreement with the Westminster Government. We corresponded with it—which we did not make a big issue of—and it eventually agreed to go ahead with its green paper, but then it changed its position. All that we are doing is highlighting that fact and saying that, if it does not want to go ahead with that or to do something itself, we think that the matter is worth considering further, and we want to take it further through the Westminster Government’s passing the powers to us. That is a perfectly reasonable thing to say. Perhaps it was the poverty of Tavish Scott’s other arguments that led him to try to use the constitutional debate to hide that fact. I hope that we will take away the crutch of that constitutional debate on 19 September and thereafter concentrate on the merits of the arguments.

James Kelly dealt very well with another point that was made. Tavish Scott said that we should have proposals that we should then discuss. That is the point of the green paper—to consider, consult and then commit. That is the proper way to do such things.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Tricia Marwick) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-09447, in the name of Keith Brown, on young and novice drivers and graduated driver licensing. I will all...
The Minister for Transport and Veterans (Keith Brown) SNP
When the Government published Scotland’s road safety framework, one of the priorities that we set out concerned young drivers who are aged 17 to 25. Young pe...
David Stewart (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
I know that the minister is familiar with the research from Dr Sarah Jones of Cardiff University, which is mentioned in the Labour amendment, but the evidenc...
Keith Brown SNP
I am indeed familiar with it, and I am happy to support the Labour Party amendment, but the latest figure that we have from Sarah Jones is 19. Obviously, tha...
Tavish Scott (Shetland Islands) (LD) LD
Can the minister tell members exactly what he defines as GDL?
Keith Brown SNP
I was just going to talk about the different GDL systems around the world, which have different characteristics. If the UK Government does not want to take t...
Mark Griffin (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I welcome the opportunity to speak in the debate, which is primarily about road safety and reducing the number of injuries and fatalities on roads across Sco...
Keith Brown SNP
Mark Griffin says that more can be done. Of course, more can always be done. However, I hope that he recognises that the number of young drivers who are kill...
Mark Griffin Lab
We acknowledge the drop. I simply flag up the recommendations that were made in the 2011 report, and I ask for a progress update. A further recommendation i...
Alex Johnstone (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
One of the great things about the Parliament is that we have a diversity of members. Although we might look the same and have similar experiences in some are...
David Stewart Lab
Does the member acknowledge the statistic that one in five newly qualified drivers crashes within six months, and that they tend to be men aged under 25 on r...
Alex Johnstone Con
Indeed I do. There are a number of reasons for that, not least the fact that many young men are overconfident. They are perfectly able to drive sensibly when...
Stewart Stevenson (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
I declare an interest: I am a member of the Institute of Advanced Motorists. I first took my IAM test in 1972, and I took it again more recently, in 2008. ...
Graeme Pearson (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I am grateful to have been given the chance to contribute to the debate and I rise to support the Government motion and Mark Griffin’s amendment. I am fairl...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith) Lab
I ask the member to draw to a close, please.
Graeme Pearson Lab
I leave other members to add to the debate, but the issue is important, and we should keep it in mind. 14:55
Clare Adamson (Central Scotland) (SNP) SNP
As the convener of the cross-party group on accident prevention and safety awareness, I am particularly pleased to speak in this important debate. The cros...
Tavish Scott (Shetland Islands) (LD) LD
Like Alex Johnstone and Stewart Stevenson, I learnt to drive at a young age off the public road. In my case, it was on a farm. I agree with a lot of the anal...
Gil Paterson (Clydebank and Milngavie) (SNP) SNP
I declare an interest, in that the business that I own, which is now run by my son, is a supplier to the accident damage industry. We supply throughout Scotl...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
I am afraid that you must conclude.
Gil Paterson SNP
Whatever we come up with, before we make a final judgment on it we must take into consideration the fact that, in rural settings, driving a car can mean havi...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
I am afraid that I have to tell the next two speakers that they have only up to five minutes. 15:11
David Stewart (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
I have been an advocate for the introduction of a form of graduated driving licence for young and new drivers since early 2010 because, after a double fatal ...
Graeme Dey (Angus South) (SNP) SNP
The Parliament has, undoubtedly, debated matters of greater significance than this one, and I suspect that we will be lucky if this part of today’s business ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
We turn to the closing speeches. I call Alex Johnstone, who has up to five minutes. 15:20
Alex Johnstone Con
It has been an extremely interesting and high-quality debate in which we have heard a range of ideas, including some quite original ones. However, the key pr...
Stewart Stevenson SNP
Would Alex Johnstone consider the suggestion that people should be unable to take their test until their instructor says that they are sufficiently trained t...
Alex Johnstone Con
I believe that that would be an appropriate way to go forward. Again, however, I emphasise that the testing process appears to be incapable of identifying th...
James Kelly (Rutherglen) (Lab) Lab
In closing the debate for Labour, I am pleased to support the Labour amendment and the Government motion, but we will not support the Conservative amendment....
Keith Brown SNP
I agree with James Kelly that, in general, the debate has been constructive and that speeches have been high quality. I will try to refer to those speeches. ...