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Meeting of the Parliament 25 March 2014

25 Mar 2014 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Young and Novice Drivers and Graduated Driver Licensing

In closing the debate for Labour, I am pleased to support the Labour amendment and the Government motion, but we will not support the Conservative amendment. I am sorry to disappoint Alex Johnstone.

It has been a high-quality debate in which we have heard about a lot of good experiences. The fact that members such as Gil Paterson have brought to it their experience, not just as drivers but in a professional capacity, has helped to make it highly informative.

Many members cited statistics on young drivers, which I think provide the starting point for the debate. Although young drivers make up only 10 per cent of the driving population, they account for 20 per cent of accidents. As has been pointed out, 27 per cent of young drivers are involved in accidents in their first six months of driving, so it is clear that there is a real problem.

As David Stewart and Graeme Dey eloquently pointed out, behind the statistics are human stories and human tragedies. Families have lost young men and, in some cases, young women who were passengers in the car that crashed. Lives have been lost and people have been badly injured; their lives are never the same again. That paints the picture of the challenge that we face.

As politicians, we need to decide what we can do about the problem. In that regard, a GDL is worth looking at. As the Sarah Jones research shows, there is no doubt that a GDL would save lives and money across the budget lines of the Scottish and UK Governments. As a result of not being involved in accidents, people would be more capable of contributing to the economy and would not be such a strain on the health service.

There are different issues that must be assessed. I say to Tavish Scott that we are disappointed that the Government has not published the green paper, which represents an opportunity to develop proposals and to consider ideas including reducing the blood-alcohol maximum, restricting use of mobile phone hands-free sets while driving, and others that have been raised in the debate. The green paper would provide an opportunity for proposals to be developed and arguments to be tested, following which evidence could be examined. Ultimately, it is evidence that drives and informs proposals.

We are not in a position to do nothing; we need action from not just the UK Government but—in areas in which it has responsibility—the Scottish Government. Mark Griffin mentioned education, which the minister said he will touch on when he sums up. As a number of members have said, we also need to make the best use of police resources, so we must target policing of the problem appropriately.

More can be done on discussions between the Scottish Government and councils. Clare Adamson said that Scottish Borders Council provides free advanced driving lessons for young drivers. The Scottish Government could work with councils on such examples of good practice.

A number of interesting speeches have been made. Stewart Stevenson was correct to point out that we must ensure that our young drivers are more capable, and Tavish Scott’s point about the driving test relates to that. I remember that, after I passed my driving test, there was a big difference between going round with the driving instructor, who tells people to go from A to B, and sitting all of a sudden in the car on my own. I drove to Kilmarnock for a football match and I thought, “What do I do now?” Sadly, a lot of young drivers find that experience overwhelming, which is why we see the number of accidents that we see. That ties in to the point that Gil Paterson and others made about lengthening the time for which young drivers should learn. If we were to reduce the age limit to 16 and a half and say that young drivers must learn for 12 months, they would—as Stewart Stevenson pointed out—be much more capable by the time they passed their test and emerged on to the roads.

The debate has been constructive. Members have made their speeches constructively, even although we have not always agreed. There are important issues for the UK Government to consider in relation to the green paper, and the Scottish Government can take practical measures through working with councils. I look forward to the minister’s response.

15:32

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Tricia Marwick) NPA
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The Minister for Transport and Veterans (Keith Brown) SNP
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David Stewart (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
I know that the minister is familiar with the research from Dr Sarah Jones of Cardiff University, which is mentioned in the Labour amendment, but the evidenc...
Keith Brown SNP
I am indeed familiar with it, and I am happy to support the Labour Party amendment, but the latest figure that we have from Sarah Jones is 19. Obviously, tha...
Tavish Scott (Shetland Islands) (LD) LD
Can the minister tell members exactly what he defines as GDL?
Keith Brown SNP
I was just going to talk about the different GDL systems around the world, which have different characteristics. If the UK Government does not want to take t...
Mark Griffin (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I welcome the opportunity to speak in the debate, which is primarily about road safety and reducing the number of injuries and fatalities on roads across Sco...
Keith Brown SNP
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Mark Griffin Lab
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Alex Johnstone (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
One of the great things about the Parliament is that we have a diversity of members. Although we might look the same and have similar experiences in some are...
David Stewart Lab
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Alex Johnstone Con
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Stewart Stevenson (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
I declare an interest: I am a member of the Institute of Advanced Motorists. I first took my IAM test in 1972, and I took it again more recently, in 2008. ...
Graeme Pearson (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I am grateful to have been given the chance to contribute to the debate and I rise to support the Government motion and Mark Griffin’s amendment. I am fairl...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith) Lab
I ask the member to draw to a close, please.
Graeme Pearson Lab
I leave other members to add to the debate, but the issue is important, and we should keep it in mind. 14:55
Clare Adamson (Central Scotland) (SNP) SNP
As the convener of the cross-party group on accident prevention and safety awareness, I am particularly pleased to speak in this important debate. The cros...
Tavish Scott (Shetland Islands) (LD) LD
Like Alex Johnstone and Stewart Stevenson, I learnt to drive at a young age off the public road. In my case, it was on a farm. I agree with a lot of the anal...
Gil Paterson (Clydebank and Milngavie) (SNP) SNP
I declare an interest, in that the business that I own, which is now run by my son, is a supplier to the accident damage industry. We supply throughout Scotl...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
I am afraid that you must conclude.
Gil Paterson SNP
Whatever we come up with, before we make a final judgment on it we must take into consideration the fact that, in rural settings, driving a car can mean havi...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
I am afraid that I have to tell the next two speakers that they have only up to five minutes. 15:11
David Stewart (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
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Graeme Dey (Angus South) (SNP) SNP
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The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
We turn to the closing speeches. I call Alex Johnstone, who has up to five minutes. 15:20
Alex Johnstone Con
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Stewart Stevenson SNP
Would Alex Johnstone consider the suggestion that people should be unable to take their test until their instructor says that they are sufficiently trained t...
Alex Johnstone Con
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James Kelly (Rutherglen) (Lab) Lab
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Keith Brown SNP
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