Holyrood, made browsable

Hansard

Every contribution to the Official Report — chamber and committee — searchable in one place. Pulled from data.parliament.scot, indexed for full-text search, linked through to every MSP.

129
Current MSPs
415
MSPs ever elected
14
Parties on record
2,096,445
Hansard contributions
1999–2026
Coverage span
Official Report

Search Hansard contributions

Clear
Showing 0 of 2,096,445 contributions in session S6, 13 May 2026 – 12 Jun 2026. Latest 30 days: 3,975. Coverage: 12 May 1999 — 11 Jun 2026.

No contributions match those filters.

← Back to list
Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 25 March 2014

25 Mar 2014 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Young and Novice Drivers and Graduated Driver Licensing
Paterson, Gil SNP Clydebank and Milngavie Watch on SPTV

I declare an interest, in that the business that I own, which is now run by my son, is a supplier to the accident damage industry. We supply throughout Scotland to workshops and body shops that repair vehicles.

I am afraid to say that that gives me, in this young body, more than 40 years of experience in the area. When I worked in the industry, I had to make daily calls to body shops and repair shops. No matter how many times I did that, it did not minimise the feeling when I saw a car that had been damaged in an accident involving a young person.

My experience tells me that, for the most part, young people take great pride in their vehicles. By and large, their vehicles are well maintained and they have great paint jobs. They are maybe a wee bit gaudy for my tastes—although, given the ties that I wear, some would probably say that that is the pot calling the kettle black. However, they use extremely flashy colours and they have terrific wheels. I spend a lot of time looking at wheels—not just legs, I have to say—and I see that young people clearly take great pride in what they have. It is a great achievement to own and drive a car, and it is a milestone in young people’s lives.

From my experience, when seeing a vehicle in a workshop that is completely wrecked, it is sometimes hard to understand how people could have walked out of it alive, whereas another car can have very little damage but turn out to have been involved in a fatality. That applies not just to young people but in general. How does that happen? The reason is that the car stops swiftly—it maybe crashes into something, although it might not be a big bump—and the people inside the car collide with each other and suffer head damage, which results in fatalities. From looking at a car that has been in an accident, we can never tell what we are really looking at. People always ask about that—I assure members that, when I walked into the workshop, I always got the bad story, particularly if the crash involved a woman or young person.

The statistics speak for themselves. As members have said, young people aged between 17 and 25 make up 10 per cent of licence holders but 23 per cent of drivers who are involved in accidents, more than one in five of drivers who are involved in injury accidents and 24 per cent of drivers who are involved in fatal accidents. That is a rather sad statistic.

Members have mentioned the idea from the Association of British Insurers of a 12-month learning period. I like that, because the learning period and gaining experience are key factors. However, we should take young people with us on that, and we should not give the idea that a penalty is involved. We could offset that in some way by reducing the age at which people can begin driving from 17 to 16 and a half. That would be a clear message that we are not introducing a penalty but trying to engage with young people to give them the confidence and experience that they need to keep safe. I am sure that young people would buy into that.

Another measure that is used extensively by insurance companies is the black box that monitors behaviours such as speed, turning and time in the car. It also highlights good and bad habits. It is just like having your mum sitting on the back seat, except it disnae talk back. It certainly reduces accidents and insurance costs. It encourages concentration 24/7 and safe driving. It is possible and practical to introduce it for young drivers across the board, if we can come up with the technology—actually, we have the technology; the issue is the cost of installing it. That approach would be more palatable for young people.

The young people I am talking about are mainly males. Girls and women are far better when they are young and old. I know, because we employ a lot of people who drive vehicles. The women are by far the most careful drivers. They get into far fewer accidents and get on with the job much better. We are really talking about young males, and we owe it to them to consider the matter carefully.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Tricia Marwick) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-09447, in the name of Keith Brown, on young and novice drivers and graduated driver licensing. I will all...
The Minister for Transport and Veterans (Keith Brown) SNP
When the Government published Scotland’s road safety framework, one of the priorities that we set out concerned young drivers who are aged 17 to 25. Young pe...
David Stewart (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
I know that the minister is familiar with the research from Dr Sarah Jones of Cardiff University, which is mentioned in the Labour amendment, but the evidenc...
Keith Brown SNP
I am indeed familiar with it, and I am happy to support the Labour Party amendment, but the latest figure that we have from Sarah Jones is 19. Obviously, tha...
Tavish Scott (Shetland Islands) (LD) LD
Can the minister tell members exactly what he defines as GDL?
Keith Brown SNP
I was just going to talk about the different GDL systems around the world, which have different characteristics. If the UK Government does not want to take t...
Mark Griffin (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I welcome the opportunity to speak in the debate, which is primarily about road safety and reducing the number of injuries and fatalities on roads across Sco...
Keith Brown SNP
Mark Griffin says that more can be done. Of course, more can always be done. However, I hope that he recognises that the number of young drivers who are kill...
Mark Griffin Lab
We acknowledge the drop. I simply flag up the recommendations that were made in the 2011 report, and I ask for a progress update. A further recommendation i...
Alex Johnstone (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
One of the great things about the Parliament is that we have a diversity of members. Although we might look the same and have similar experiences in some are...
David Stewart Lab
Does the member acknowledge the statistic that one in five newly qualified drivers crashes within six months, and that they tend to be men aged under 25 on r...
Alex Johnstone Con
Indeed I do. There are a number of reasons for that, not least the fact that many young men are overconfident. They are perfectly able to drive sensibly when...
Stewart Stevenson (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
I declare an interest: I am a member of the Institute of Advanced Motorists. I first took my IAM test in 1972, and I took it again more recently, in 2008. ...
Graeme Pearson (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I am grateful to have been given the chance to contribute to the debate and I rise to support the Government motion and Mark Griffin’s amendment. I am fairl...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith) Lab
I ask the member to draw to a close, please.
Graeme Pearson Lab
I leave other members to add to the debate, but the issue is important, and we should keep it in mind. 14:55
Clare Adamson (Central Scotland) (SNP) SNP
As the convener of the cross-party group on accident prevention and safety awareness, I am particularly pleased to speak in this important debate. The cros...
Tavish Scott (Shetland Islands) (LD) LD
Like Alex Johnstone and Stewart Stevenson, I learnt to drive at a young age off the public road. In my case, it was on a farm. I agree with a lot of the anal...
Gil Paterson (Clydebank and Milngavie) (SNP) SNP
I declare an interest, in that the business that I own, which is now run by my son, is a supplier to the accident damage industry. We supply throughout Scotl...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
I am afraid that you must conclude.
Gil Paterson SNP
Whatever we come up with, before we make a final judgment on it we must take into consideration the fact that, in rural settings, driving a car can mean havi...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
I am afraid that I have to tell the next two speakers that they have only up to five minutes. 15:11
David Stewart (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
I have been an advocate for the introduction of a form of graduated driving licence for young and new drivers since early 2010 because, after a double fatal ...
Graeme Dey (Angus South) (SNP) SNP
The Parliament has, undoubtedly, debated matters of greater significance than this one, and I suspect that we will be lucky if this part of today’s business ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
We turn to the closing speeches. I call Alex Johnstone, who has up to five minutes. 15:20
Alex Johnstone Con
It has been an extremely interesting and high-quality debate in which we have heard a range of ideas, including some quite original ones. However, the key pr...
Stewart Stevenson SNP
Would Alex Johnstone consider the suggestion that people should be unable to take their test until their instructor says that they are sufficiently trained t...
Alex Johnstone Con
I believe that that would be an appropriate way to go forward. Again, however, I emphasise that the testing process appears to be incapable of identifying th...
James Kelly (Rutherglen) (Lab) Lab
In closing the debate for Labour, I am pleased to support the Labour amendment and the Government motion, but we will not support the Conservative amendment....
Keith Brown SNP
I agree with James Kelly that, in general, the debate has been constructive and that speeches have been high quality. I will try to refer to those speeches. ...