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Meeting of the Parliament 07 January 2015

07 Jan 2015 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Active Travel
Stevenson, Stewart SNP Banffshire and Buchan Coast Watch on SPTV

I congratulate the minister on his appointment to the most exciting—in the Chinese sense—portfolio in the Government. I will continue to get out my prayer mat on a weekly basis to pray that all the snow that falls over the winter will do so at no lower a level than 1,500 feet, thus ensuring the satisfaction of skiers and the clear roads that will enable the transport minister to sleep at night.

It is interesting and revealing to look at the motion and the amendments. The Government motion makes three references to cycling and two references to walking. In its amendment, the Labour Party has achieved a perfect 50:50 balance. The Greens seem to be a bit obsessed about this strange cycling thing—their amendment contains five references to cycling and only one to walking. I am here to redress the balance a little, because I am not the committed cyclist that some other members are.

So far today, I have done 7,500 steps. My walk from here to the railway station tonight will complete the 10,000 steps target. Yesterday, I did 15,000 steps. That adds up to only about 15 miles a week. Although that sounds quite decent, my nephew, who used to be a world-class orienteer, used to cover 160 miles a week as part of his training schedule, so I could go a bit further.

At the risk of being characterised as a grumpy old man, I suggest that much of the debate has focused on entirely the wrong thing—investment in infrastructure. That is nothing to do with the subject under discussion. Ministers love investment in infrastructure—they will go off and spend every £1 that we can give them on infrastructure, because they love to go and open things or be photographed beside a new bit of cycle track, at a new bike hire station or putting a new name on a train—but the reality is that we have to change what goes on in people’s minds.

If we were to think about buying shoes that were suitable for walking for a million people in Scotland, how much would that cost? It would cost less than the annual active travel budget. In health terms and in improving people’s engagement in active travel, would that deliver a greater benefit than spending any money on cycling? I say that to provoke, not because I am realistically proposing that we decommit on cycling. I just want us to think about what £1 that is spent on something actually buys in public policy terms; £1 that is spent on walking buys a heck of a lot more than £1 that is spent on almost anything else in the area of active travel, and I would like to see us do something about that.

Walking can be a rather flexible thing. There is a guy in my constituency—I normally see him outside my constituency—whom I keep meaning to somehow stop so that I can find out who he is and what he does. He roller-skates on the main road. He uses roller-skating as a means of transport—I have seen him do 10 miles on roller skates. Perhaps we should equip people not just with walking shoes, but with roller skates, because roller-skating is a good, healthy form of exercise, too. I have heard no mention of the provision of roller skates for the population of Scotland. Perhaps we should think about that.

In such debates, we must challenge the norms. As members, let us look in the mirror. How many of us came to the Parliament in a taxi?

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-11980, in the name of Derek Mackay, on active travel. We are extraordinarily tight for time today, so tim...
The Minister for Transport and Islands (Derek Mackay) SNP
I am delighted to be here for my first Government-led debate as Minister for Transport and Islands. I welcome David Stewart to his position in the Labour Par...
Bruce Crawford (Stirling) (SNP) SNP
I am grateful to the minister for outlining the important investment that has been made in active travel. I ask him to help me to clear up a matter. One of m...
Derek Mackay SNP
I have already found how complex the budget lines are in the transport portfolio, partly because different portfolios contribute to active travel and cycling...
Claudia Beamish (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
What plans are there to make much higher the percentage of on-road cycling, through bikeability Scotland, among primary pupils? As a former primary school te...
Derek Mackay SNP
Claudia Beamish is absolutely right. The level of on-road cycling is not to our satisfaction, and on that and many other action points we want to do more, wi...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
You need to draw to a close.
Derek Mackay SNP
There are a great deal of projects going on; I could have gone on to talk about many more of them. In conclusion, the language in the Labour amendment is n...
David Stewart (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
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Nigel Don (Angus North and Mearns) (SNP) SNP
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David Stewart Lab
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The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
Thank you for sticking to your time. I now call Alison Johnstone—up to six minutes, please. 15:05
Alison Johnstone (Lothian) (Green) Green
The beginning of a new year is a good time to have this important debate. Someone wrote on Twitter, in a new year’s resolution sort of way, that this year th...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
Does the member accept that it is not just about money; it is also about changing attitudes?
Alison Johnstone Green
Absolutely, but we have spent a lot of money on changing attitudes. We need to have the infrastructure that will allow parents and others to feel that they w...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
You should draw to a close, please.
Alison Johnstone Green
I will indeed, Presiding Officer. The Paths for All Partnership is right to point out in its briefing that active travel schemes clearly deliver better valu...
Nanette Milne (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
I fear that the debate will be somewhat repetitive. We hear a great deal in the Parliament about the increasing levels of obesity in Scotland; the health de...
Derek Mackay SNP
What is the Conservatives’ funding position on sustainable and active travel and specifically on cycling, as that relates to local government?
Nanette Milne Con
This must be sorted out between the Government and local authorities.
Derek Mackay SNP
So the Conservatives do not have a position.
Nanette Milne Con
Just take what I have said. Funding needs to be sorted out between national and local government. It needs to be reliable and consistent if making progress t...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
We move to the open debate. We are tight for time. 15:18
Jim Eadie (Edinburgh Southern) (SNP) SNP
I am grateful for the opportunity to speak in the debate. If I may, I will confine my remarks to cycling. In April 2012, I had the privilege—along with Alis...
Sarah Boyack (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
This is one of those follow-that-speech moments—I will choose not to try to do that, for obvious reasons. This has been a good debate. I welcome the Ministe...
Stewart Stevenson (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
I congratulate the minister on his appointment to the most exciting—in the Chinese sense—portfolio in the Government. I will continue to get out my prayer ma...
Mary Fee (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Will the member take a brief intervention on the subject of roller skates?
Stewart Stevenson SNP
If Mary Fee knows more about roller skates than I do, which will not be hard, I most certainly will.
Mary Fee Lab
My point may help to illustrate the debate. In a previous life, I worked for one of our largest retailers and when they were rolling out the opening of the m...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith) Lab
I remind members that we are very short of time.