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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 02 October 2014

02 Oct 2014 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Food (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Baker, Claire Lab Mid Scotland and Fife Watch on SPTV

I am pleased to be taking part in the debate. The bill sets out the operational detail for food standards Scotland. I think that everyone in the chamber supports the general principles, but I will make one point about the board’s membership. Although the committee supports the Government proposals on the board’s membership, it does not support the proposal on sectoral representatives. I ask the minister to reflect on the Mather commission’s report, which the Scottish Government welcomed at the time, which recommends employee directors for public body boards. The establishment of food standards Scotland gives the Government the opportunity to act on the issue. Given the particular responsibilities of food standards Scotland and the key importance of the consumer, it would be important to have employee representation on the board in some form.

Although it was the Health and Sport Committee that scrutinised the Food (Scotland) Bill and it is the Minister for Public Health who is putting the case to us today, food standards Scotland is an organisation whose responsibility will extend to the food inspection regime in Scotland, covering work in abattoirs and meat plants, as well as issues around accurate labelling and food fraud. I will focus on those issues.

A few weeks ago, I spoke at The Scotsman conference on food and drink during food and drink fortnight. At the conference there was a clear emphasis on Scotland’s strong brand, on our international reputation and on provenance and transparency in our food sector. It was recognised that if Scotland’s food and drink sector is to grow, make a significant contribution to our economy and offer quality employment opportunities, those strengths must be promoted and protected.

The establishment of a new food standards body—we all support the necessity of a separate Scottish body for the reasons that others have outlined—gives us an opportunity to be clear about our expectations on the operation of the food sector and to introduce a robust regulatory regime that puts the consumer firmly at its centre.

There are some real challenges in the sector. It is a tough sector and food production is highly competitive. It operates on very narrow profit margins and we can see the impact of that. Recently, four free-range chicken producers’ contracts with Hook 2 Sisters were terminated. That will result in the total number of independent chicken producers in Scotland falling from 28 to 16 and the number of chickens produced in Scotland falling by 7 million birds at a time when chicken consumption is increasing.

We all recognise the pressures that are on food producers—rising prices, pressure from the supermarkets and increasing competition from overseas—but we cannot allow them to lead to any weakening of our regulation. The numbers of meat inspectors and meat inspections have fallen in recent years. They exist to protect the consumer, but they also protect Scotland’s brand and reputation.

In a recent Bank of Scotland report on the food and drink sector, 64 per cent of those questioned identified regulation and compliance as a significant challenge for their sector, but any damage to our sector, which would be left vulnerable with light-touch regulation, would take years to recover from. We know that from recent examples. We need to ensure that the sector’s well-earned reputation is protected. Although all effort must be made to have regulation that is proportionate, it must also be robust and effective.

Let us consider some of the realities within the sector. A recent freedom of information request by Unison Scotland showed that, since April 2012, meat inspectors and vets have prevented more than 1 million cases of diseased animal carcases from entering the food chain. That included 659,000 instances of liver fluke parasite and 427,000 instances of pneumonia in red meat carcases. The figures are pretty concerning, but the fact that we have a meat inspection regime means that diseased carcases are being detected before they reach the human food chain.

There is intense lobbying at European Union level for lighter-touch regulation that increasingly looks to pass the responsibility from the public sector to the industry. There are real concerns about the consequences of that for the consumer. Already, 37 out of the 87 poultry plants across the UK have employed their own meat inspectors. For me, that raises issues of accountability and conflict of interest.

The creation of a new body in Scotland gives us an opportunity to ensure that regulation acts in the interests of the consumer. Two of the body’s objectives clearly emphasise protection of the consumer. Although measures must be proportionate and support the industry, it must also be demonstrated that they deserve the public’s trust. Trust must be at the heart of the new body. It needs to be able to hold the public’s confidence. Sections of the industry are failing and we certainly need to work with them to challenge that and to raise standards.

However, they also need to be transparent and accountable. Meat inspectors and vets must be able to carry out thorough, independent inspections, free from food sector influence. Of course there are people in the sector who recognise that and the value of the system, but we need only to speak to some of the people who work on the factory floor to get an understanding of how tough the sector can be, how hard the working conditions are, how pressured the sector is to produce the end product quickly, how difficult it can be to go in and enforce the inspection regime and how essential it is to have a robust regulatory regime with independent scrutiny.

The new body—food standards Scotland—must have a clear position on that and support its staff who work at the sharp end, because another reality is that produce at the lower end of the sector is more vulnerable. The demand for cheap food from the retail sector and the consumer puts pressure on the sector, but we cannot allow the low-income consumer to be left vulnerable to poor practice. The recently highlighted growth in food fraud, which ranges from counterfeiting to mislabelling and substitution, is also a significant challenge for the new body to address.

I will close with some concerns about environmental health officers—in particular, issues of capacity and underfunding.

At the height of the horsemeat scandal last year, the pressure on local authority services became clear. In 2008, more than 16,000 food safety samples were taken throughout Scotland but budgetary pressures meant that, by 2012, that had dropped to just over 10,000 samples. There had also been a 21 per cent drop in the number of specialist food safety officers who were employed by local authorities.

Increasingly, the capacity does not exist to carry out regular checks. If we want a service to be delivered that meets the challenges of the modern world, it needs to be better supported by not just local government, which faces financial pressures, but central Government and the new food standards body.

The bill establishes the legal standing of food standards Scotland. The debate will now move on to the new body’s policy and practice. If we are prepared to put the interests of the consumer first, everyone—including the industry—will benefit from the advantages of safe, high-quality, respected and trusted Scottish produce.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
Good afternoon, everyone. The first item of business is a debate on motion S4M-11048, in the name of Michael Matheson, on the Food (Scotland) Bill.
The Minister for Public Health (Michael Matheson) SNP
I am pleased to open the debate on the general principles of the Food (Scotland) Bill. I thank those who gave evidence, both written and in person, and the D...
Stewart Stevenson (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
I am sure that the minister is very well aware of the long series of contributions made by Harry Burns, the former chief medical officer, about the nurturing...
Michael Matheson SNP
An important thing that will be achieved with the creation of FSS is that we will have a body that can co-ordinate how we tackle nutrition issues and change ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
Many thanks. I call Duncan McNeil to speak on behalf of the Health and Sport Committee. Mr McNeil, you have 10 minutes or thereby. 14:44
Duncan McNeil (Greenock and Inverclyde) (Lab) Lab
Thank you, Presiding Officer, for making it clear that I am speaking this afternoon on behalf of the Health and Sport Committee, although the topics of food,...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
Many thanks, Mr McNeil—a veritable punnet of puns. I now call Dr Richard Simpson, who has 10 minutes, or thereby. 14:55
Dr Richard Simpson (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
Thank you, Presiding Officer. I do not intend to compete with either you or Mr McNeil in terms of puns, but I welcome the opportunity to speak at stage 1 of ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
Do not worry. Take your time.
Dr Simpson Lab
The attempts to reformulate foods with lower levels of salt remain important. Working with the industry on that will be an important part of FSS’s work. On ...
Nanette Milne (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
In this day and age, when so many of us rely increasingly on processed food and ready-prepared meals, it is crucial that we can trust the safety and nutritio...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
We move to the open debate. We have a little time in hand, so there will certainly be time for interventions. 15:11
Aileen McLeod (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP
I welcome the opportunity to speak in the debate and thank the Health and Sport Committee’s convener, Duncan McNeil, for his opening remarks. I also thank al...
Claire Baker (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
I am pleased to be taking part in the debate. The bill sets out the operational detail for food standards Scotland. I think that everyone in the chamber supp...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
I remind the chamber that we have time for interventions. Should members wish to develop their ideas and thinking as the debate develops, on this occasion th...
Christian Allard (North East Scotland) (SNP) SNP
I thank the convener of the Health and Sport Committee, Duncan McNeil, and its members for their work in compiling the stage 1 report on the Food (Scotland) ...
Claire Baker Lab
Although the member is correct in his description of the horsemeat scandal, does he recognise that substitution is an issue in Scotland? There have been case...
Christian Allard SNP
I agree with the member on her point about restaurants. I encourage anyone who buys the catch of the day to ask where the fish comes from. People would be su...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
Bravo. 15:33
Bob Doris (Glasgow) (SNP) SNP
I, like my committee convener Duncan McNeil, thank everyone who gave evidence to the committee as well as the clerking team and SPICe for all their support—i...
Stewart Stevenson SNP
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Bob Doris SNP
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Malcolm Chisholm (Edinburgh Northern and Leith) (Lab) Lab
I congratulate the Government on introducing the bill. Establishing food standards Scotland as a stand-alone body is clearly the most viable option, based on...
Colin Keir (Edinburgh Western) (SNP) SNP
I thank Duncan McNeil for his convenership of the Health and Sport Committee as my colleagues on the committee and I went through the stage 1 process. The b...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith) Lab
We still have a bit of time in hand. I can give the remaining speakers in the debate seven minutes each. 15:55
Jayne Baxter (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
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Stewart Stevenson (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
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Bob Doris SNP
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Stewart Stevenson SNP
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Roderick Campbell (North East Fife) (SNP) SNP
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