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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 19 August 2014

19 Aug 2014 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Disabled Persons’ Parking Badges (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3

I should start by redeclaring an interest as a blue badge holder. As a blue badge holder and a fellow MSP, I reiterate my congratulations to Dennis Robertson on bringing forward the bill and I express my whole-hearted support for it.

To respond to Christine Grahame’s question about supermarkets, there cannot be parking enforcement there because the ground is private, but it is hoped that the word “shame” will come into things and that the public will eventually realise that what happens is simply not acceptable. However, I am afraid that there is nothing that we can currently do about private parking spaces.

In the earlier stages, I outlined why I supported the bill. It brings a much-needed improvement in the administration and enforcement of the blue badge scheme as well as wider recognition of its importance. It is crucial that any update to the scheme brings tangible benefits to blue badge holders without placing undue burdens or legal concerns on them. The bill strikes that balance.

I strongly support highlighting the reliance of blue badge users on the scheme to freely carry out everyday tasks, as well as the need to close the gap in perception between those who believe that occasional misuse is acceptable and legitimate users who greatly depend on its benefits being available.

I highlighted previously a number of finer points that had yet to be discussed adequately in the bill’s early stages, including the issues of non-uniformed enforcement officers, penalties and the powers of confiscation. Amendments covering those issues were lodged and, although later withdrawn, led to constructive discussion, and I am pleased to say that I continue to support the bill in its entirety.

A range of views were expressed on the role of non-uniformed enforcement officers. Along with others, I was lobbied by Inclusion Scotland. It expressed the view that enforcement officers should be uniformed. However, we reached agreement in the Local Government and Regeneration Committee that the bill’s provision for non-uniformed enforcement officers would benefit the scheme and could be implemented smoothly.

The main issue is to pass a bill that strikes the balance between the most effective way of enforcing the legislation and showing—this is very important—an appropriate level of sensitivity to blue badge users and their personal circumstances. We rightly focused on how officers would be identified to users and how assurances could be given to organisations such as Inclusion Scotland. The committee was reassured that all officers would carry identification cards. The bill therefore strikes that balance.

That leads me on to a similar point with regard to penalties. The Law Society of Scotland highlighted concerns over the inclusion of a criminal strict liability offence for using a badge once cancelled and, in doing so, it used the sledgehammer-to-crack-a-nut analogy. However, the committee also considered Police Scotland’s views. It raised strong points in favour of the bill’s existing penalty provisions. Our task was to ensure that the bill struck an ideal balance between delivering improvements to the scheme and protecting its users. Fortunately, the views of Police Scotland prevailed.

On that point, it was mentioned that penalties imposed after unintentional misuse could hurt vulnerable users. Although an amendment motivated by such concerns was lodged, we were reassured that a person could be found guilty of an offence only if a level of knowledge or intent could be proven. Despite that, it is apparent that the enforcement of the legislation will require local authority officers and the police, where appropriate, to exercise their duties with a good deal of care and sensitivity.

Although we were agreed that in clear-cut cases of fraud we expect the perpetrator to be prosecuted, we would all expect discretion to be shown in the more complex cases that will undoubtedly arise. The bill allows for such flexibility and will minimise incidents of innocent misuse through clearer communication to blue badge holders. The proposed 10-point card will answer any questions in that regard. For example, the current instructions are too complicated and everyone who receives them—me included—simply flings them in the drawer.

For similar reasons, it is important that we consider carefully the implications of any new powers granted to the enforcement officers. With that in mind, we had a necessary discussion on the extension of powers to confiscate badges. Although a fellow committee member lodged an amendment to limit the proposed powers to non-valid badges only and not third-party use, it was agreed that the existing powers would substantially benefit genuine users, because abuse would be discouraged and parking spaces would therefore be freed up. Furthermore, reassurances were given that badges would be confiscated only for justifiable reasons and that valid badges would be returned within a maximum of 14 days, which is also important.

In previous debates, I touched on funding, which is an issue that is necessary to consider. However, the bill is proportionate in its resource requirements, and it will be manageable to enforce. The sensible decision against establishing an external review process is an example of that.

I am pleased to note that the bill’s implications have been discussed extensively and properly considered. As I have highlighted, the main consideration throughout has been to ensure that the ideal balance is struck between delivering scheme improvements and protecting its users. The bill achieves that balance, and it will bring benefits to the genuine blue badge scheme users, including myself. As a result, I am delighted to support the bill.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith) Lab
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-10783, in the name of Dennis Robertson, on the Disabled Persons’ Parking Badges (Scotland) Bill. 16:42
Dennis Robertson (Aberdeenshire West) (SNP) SNP
It has been a great privilege for me to have been able to take forward the Disabled Persons’ Parking Badges (Scotland) Bill as a member’s bill. I would like ...
The Minister for Transport and Veterans (Keith Brown) SNP
I am pleased to support Dennis Robertson and to commend him for the work that he has undertaken in developing the bill. I thank the Local Government and Re...
Mark Griffin (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I welcome the opportunity to speak on the Disabled Persons’ Parking Badges (Scotland) Bill at stage 3, and I congratulate Dennis Robertson on the progress th...
Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP) SNP
Can local government officers enforce in places such as supermarket car parks or private car parks where there might be an abuse, or can they do so only in p...
Mark Griffin Lab
My understanding is that private operators would need to come to some sort of agreement with local authorities or the police to enforce the provisions in a p...
Cameron Buchanan (Lothian) (Con) Con
I should start by redeclaring an interest as a blue badge holder. As a blue badge holder and a fellow MSP, I reiterate my congratulations to Dennis Robertson...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
Before we move on to the open debate, I am minded to accept a motion without notice on behalf of the Parliamentary Bureau. Motion moved, That, under Rule 1...
Stewart Stevenson (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
Like others, I congratulate Dennis Robertson on bringing forward the bill, which I am sure is going to be successful at 17:50. As a bill, it is perhaps a re...
Anne McTaggart (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
As a member of the Local Government and Regeneration Committee, I have had ample opportunity to consider in detail the proposals in the bill and the subseque...
Jim Hume (South Scotland) (LD) LD
I welcome the opportunity to participate in the final stage of the bill, and I congratulate Dennis Robertson on all his good work in bringing the bill this f...
Kevin Stewart (Aberdeen Central) (SNP) SNP
I pay tribute to Dennis Robertson for introducing the bill, which I hope will receive unanimous support. Like many other members, I realise that it is not al...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
I call Cameron Buchanan. You have a generous four minutes, Mr Buchanan. 17:26
Cameron Buchanan Con
There are still many anomalies with blue badge parking that we need to consider. For example, holders sometimes have to pay parking fees and there is an issu...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
I call Mark Griffin. You have an even more generous four minutes, Mr Griffin. 17:27
Mark Griffin Lab
The debate has been relatively short, and that was certainly a short speech from Cameron Buchanan. Mine will not be quite so short. The debate has been cons...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
I call the minister, Keith Brown, to wind up the debate on behalf of the Government. Minister, you have a very generous six minutes. 17:31
Keith Brown SNP
Thank you very much, Presiding Officer. I thank members for an informed and interesting debate. There has been a degree of consensus—not entirely by acciden...
Kevin Stewart SNP
The minister again mentioned the two working groups that are considering various aspects. Will the Parliament have an opportunity to consider and help improv...
Keith Brown SNP
I am happy to give the undertaking that we will look into how best we can involve the Parliament in that process, not least because the Local Government and ...
Kevin Stewart SNP
Like the minister, I would like to see the demise of personal independence payments, which are really frightening some folk. I am pleased that the Scottish G...
Keith Brown SNP
I am more than happy to consider that further. We have done a great deal of work, because we know how important the issue is. To put the matter in plain term...
Stewart Stevenson SNP
Before the minister finishes, will he take an intervention?
Keith Brown SNP
As long as it is not an application to be a non-uniformed officer.
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
Anything is possible with Mr Stevenson.
Stewart Stevenson SNP
Will the minister inform us a little bit about the enforcement process when badges are validated? We heard in the debate that the enforcement officer would r...
Keith Brown SNP
I would not want to steal Dennis Robertson’s thunder—he might want to respond to those points—but some of those challenges have been dealt with in the most r...
The Presiding Officer (Tricia Marwick) NPA
I call Dennis Robertson to wind up the debate. Mr Robertson, you have eight minutes. 17:42
Dennis Robertson SNP
In winding up, I first extend my sincere thanks to those who managed to speak during this short, but very important, debate. I also offer my genuine thanks t...