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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 12 March 2014

12 Mar 2014 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Air Quality

I thank Claire Baker and the Labour Party for bringing to the chamber a debate on air quality. I broadly agree with the tenor of the remarks made by the front benchers on the challenge that we face. However, it strikes me that it is one thing to announce more strategies and yet more action plans and all the rest of it, but this is a classic case of acting local while thinking global.

My reading of air management plans and strategies is that they have simply not worked. Maybe the minister should just start with a blank piece of paper and accept that the targets—whether they were set at European, UK or Scottish levels—have not been met. I noticed that the minister did not pick that up in his speech; perhaps he will do so when he winds up. He should perhaps admit where we are and then suggest that, rather than all these things that have not worked in the past, we would be better to consider a new approach. I agree with Patrick Harvie, although he should probably be grateful that it is Paul Wheelhouse on the front bench and not Fergus Ewing—I recall the days when Fergus Ewing was doing these debates for the SNP and there was a slightly different approach from the one that Mr Wheelhouse identified in his remarks.

Patrick Harvie was right about transport. I suspect that that was the point that the minister was implying in his remarks. As some members have said, dealing with transport and the issues that come from transport is fundamental in tackling the issue of air quality. In that sense, the easiest way to start is in public sector leadership. For example, how many ministerial cars are hybrid? How many ministerial cars are still run on a simple combustion engine—as, in fairness, they were in my day?

I hope that the minister has made a big inroad into that issue and that he would want to say to the chamber that every car that will sweep ministers home from work will run on some kind of hybrid engine. I hope that he will set a target for all our health boards, councils and public agencies to move over a period of time towards a position in which none of their vehicles is running on old diesel or petrol engines and all of them are, instead, hybrid vehicles. That would show some clear leadership from the public sector. This is one of the few areas where the public sector—national Government or local government—can set a strong target for change, and I suspect that the minister would have our clear support if he were to do that. I would certainly be happy to make that case in my part of the world, although I accept that it does not have the kind of air-quality problems that have been described by members from Glasgow and Edinburgh.

The argument is about transport emissions. I agree with the analysis about industrialisation and the move away from the emission-producing plants of yesteryear; they are exactly that—in the past. Therefore, when one assesses why Scotland is missing the climate change targets that are in the Labour motion and some of the amendments, one must agree that the issue comes down to transport, fundamentally.

We talk the talk around demand management. Some of us who have been around for a while will remember the debate about whether there should be a tolling regime in this capital city in order to pay for public transport. That was thrown out by all parties—they all ducked it. We should all hold up our hands and admit that we all ducked it.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith) Lab
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-09294, in the name of Claire Baker, on air quality in Scotland. I ask all members who wish to participate...
Claire Baker (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
Poor air quality is a daily experience for too many people in Scotland. Those who live, work or go to school or nursery in streets with high levels of air po...
The Minister for Environment and Climate Change (Paul Wheelhouse) SNP
I highlight the change in the focus of the bus operators grant to avoid bus operators having an incentive to burn fuel. I hope that Claire Baker welcomes tha...
Claire Baker Lab
The experience in communities is that what has happened is leading to fewer routes and higher fares. That is working against the policy that encourages peopl...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
I call Paul Wheelhouse to speak to and move amendment S4M-09294.3. You have a maximum of seven minutes, minister. 14:52
The Minister for Environment and Climate Change (Paul Wheelhouse) SNP
Thank you, Presiding Officer. Air quality in Scotland is generally good, but there are areas where it is of poor quality and affects the health of some indi...
Claudia Beamish (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Will the minister clarify the timescales for the project, please?
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
Minister, you are approaching your final minute.
Paul Wheelhouse SNP
We hope to have that by the end of the calendar year. I will provide more information to the member. We are developing a national low emissions strategy, wh...
Jamie McGrigor (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
I welcome the opportunity to contribute to this debate on air quality. It is useful that Labour is using its debating time to highlight this important issue....
Paul Wheelhouse SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Jamie McGrigor Con
Am I allowed to give way, Presiding Officer?
The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
Yes.
Paul Wheelhouse SNP
Jamie McGrigor says that the Scottish Government is lagging behind and failing to meet its targets. Will he comment on the fact that 15 areas in England are ...
Jamie McGrigor Con
I take that point. How long have I got, Presiding Officer?
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
You have 45 seconds.
Jamie McGrigor Con
Local authorities appear to be somewhat uncertain and confused about what they are meant to do to achieve EU air quality values. It is easy to diagnose the p...
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green) Green
I welcome the Labour Party’s choice of topic in bringing a motion on air quality to the Parliament today. The minister started by saying that air quality in...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
We move to the open debate. We are extraordinarily tight for time. Members have up to four minutes, please. 15:10
Marco Biagi (Edinburgh Central) (SNP) SNP
The word “noxious” long predates the identification of NOx—nitrogen oxides—but is as fitting a word as any to describe them and their health effects on the p...
Claire Baker Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
Marco Biagi SNP
I am sorry, but I have only four minutes. Nor could we, should we wish to, take the more radical steps that Sweden proposes to remove fossil fuels from tran...
Cara Hilton (Dunfermline) (Lab) Lab
Every day, on the streets of towns and cities across Scotland, we are exposed to pollutants that can and do damage public health. From Glasgow to Edinburgh, ...
Bruce Crawford (Stirling) (SNP) SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Cara Hilton Lab
I am sorry, but I do not have time. The national low emissions strategy is a positive step forward, but we need more than a vision. We also need a clear tim...
Gordon MacDonald (Edinburgh Pentlands) (SNP) SNP
The Environment Act 1995 required local authorities to assess air quality in their area and, where that exceeds air quality standards, to declare an air qual...
Tavish Scott (Shetland Islands) (LD) LD
I thank Claire Baker and the Labour Party for bringing to the chamber a debate on air quality. I broadly agree with the tenor of the remarks made by the fron...
Patrick Harvie Green
Not quite all.
Tavish Scott LD
Okay, the Greens did not duck it, but everyone else did. Similarly, the proposal about workplace parking in Glasgow some years ago was ducked, too. None of u...
Nigel Don (Angus North and Mearns) (SNP) SNP
I am grateful for the opportunity to speak in the debate and for the fact that some of the previous speeches, particularly those of Tavish Scott and Patrick ...