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Meeting of the Parliament 18 November 2014

18 Nov 2014 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Drink-drive Limit

Reducing the drink-drive limit will make Scotland’s roads safer. We all know that alcohol affects a driver’s judgment and reaction times, and that the risk of having a road accident increases as more alcohol is consumed. However, we also know that Scotland and the United Kingdom have one of the highest drink-drive limits in Europe.

Sir Peter North, in his report for the UK Government in 2010, recommended a reduction in the drink-drive limit from 80mg to 50mg per 100ml, which would bring us into line with the vast majority of our European neighbours. It is the rejection of that recommendation by the current UK Government, coupled with the devolution of the power to set a specific limit for Scotland, that has led to this debate.

I make it clear at the outset that I support the reduction in the drink-drive limit, and that I discourage all forms of drink driving in the strongest possible terms. However, I believe that Labour’s amendment enhances the Government’s motion.

In his report, Sir Peter North explained—as Richard Lyle stated—that drivers with a blood alcohol concentration between 20mg and 50mg per 100ml have a greater risk of dying—at least three times the risk—in a road traffic accident than drivers who have no alcohol in their blood at all.

The risk of having a fatal accident increases by at least six times with a blood alcohol concentration between 50mg and 80mg per 100 ml, and then to 11 times between 80mg and 100mg per 100 ml. In other words, alcohol increases the risk of a fatal accident exponentially, and there is a significant increase in risk above a blood alcohol concentration of 50mg per 100ml.

The report notes that there is a case for reducing the limit to 20mg per 100ml, which Sir Peter North argues would be consistent with a clear “Do not drink and drive” policy. However, he goes on to explain that only a minority of countries have such a limit, and that any policy that is viewed as too restrictive or inflexible could jeopardise the good will and public support that exist for strengthening drink-drive legislation.

The BMA has reminded us that the lowest drink-drive limits are the toughest to enforce. There are countries that have a drink-drive limit of zero, and yet there are circumstances in which people with a medical condition such as diabetes, or those who use a certain type of mouthwash, would register alcohol in their blood.

The recommendation that we should reduce the limit on blood alcohol concentration to 50mg per 100ml has proven to be popular not only in the chamber but beyond with the public, the police and road safety campaigners. It is a practical proposal, it is enforceable and it will save lives.

There is broad agreement that the coming change must be communicated effectively to the public before it comes into force on 5 December. Thirty-two responses to the Scottish Government’s consultation emphasised the need to educate drivers about changes to the drink-drive limit, and 13 identified the need to educate people about the lingering morning-after effects of alcohol.

It takes longer than people often think for alcohol to pass through their body. People who would never countenance drink driving might not realise how much alcohol remains in their system the morning after a night out. They could find that their reaction times are slow, and if they were stopped by the police they might find that they have broken the law.

We need to do more than educate drivers to know their limits and know their units. We need to change behaviour and prevent people from getting behind the wheel of a car in the morning when there could still be enough alcohol present in their system to take them over the limit.

I acknowledge the new public awareness campaign that was launched this week, but I appeal to the Government for assurances that the attempts to educate motorists will be robust and proactive and will continue beyond the festive season.

With a new drink-driving limit I hope that we can prevent needless accidents, injuries and deaths on Scotland’s roads. We can make people think more about how much they drink before they drive, and send out a clear message that it is safest not to drink at all before getting behind the wheel. With education and enforcement, we can make Scotland’s roads safe, and I believe that we must.

16:34  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-11567, in the name of Kenny MacAskill, on lowering the drink-drive limit.
The Cabinet Secretary for Justice (Kenny MacAskill) SNP
Members will be aware that the Scottish Government has long argued that a lower drink-drive limit will save lives and help to make Scotland’s roads safer. So...
Graeme Pearson (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I say at outset that Scottish Labour supports the motion. I will speak to the amendment from Scottish Labour. We have no reservations in our support for the...
David Stewart (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
Does the member share my view that we should introduce a graduated driving licence scheme for young drivers? The member will know that the proposal is that n...
Graeme Pearson Lab
The member makes an important point, and I would support that proposal. I was at Stranraer academy yesterday and that very issue was raised out of the blue. ...
Margaret Mitchell (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
The Scottish Conservatives support initiatives to make Scotland’s roads safer. The pain, heartache and devastation that the victims—and their families—of dru...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
Excuse me, Ms Mitchell. Sandra White has a point of order.
Sandra White (Glasgow Kelvin) (SNP) SNP
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. Could Margaret Mitchell please mention the motion and the amendment that she is speaking to? I have not heard anythin...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
Thank you for that request for a point of order, but it is not a point of order. The words that Margaret Mitchell chooses to use are a matter for her.
Margaret Mitchell Con
I suggest that Sandra White should listen carefully—she has obviously lost the thread of the argument. Those reports highlight perceived pressures on police...
Elaine Murray (Dumfriesshire) (Lab) Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
Margaret Mitchell Con
I will do in a minute, if Elaine Murray does not mind—I just want to complete this point. The SPA report identified evidence that “officers perceive a pres...
Elaine Murray Lab
Could Margaret Mitchell clarify the intention of her amendment? As I read it, the suggestion that the application of penalties for exceeding the drink-drivin...
Margaret Mitchell Con
I will come to that point specifically, if Elaine Murray will allow me to develop my argument. Furthermore, the cabinet secretary has emphasised—as does the...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
We move to the open debate. Speeches should be of four minutes, and there is time for interventions. 15:49
Dave Thompson (Skye, Lochaber and Badenoch) (SNP) SNP
I am delighted to be taking part in the debate because, as the Cabinet Secretary for Justice said, I have been campaigning to have the drink-driving limit re...
Dr Richard Simpson (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
I welcome the opportunity to speak in the debate and voice my support for the lowering of the drink-driving limit. Sir Peter North’s report indicated that th...
Christian Allard (North East Scotland) (SNP) SNP
The recalibration of the breathalyser happened last year. It is very important because the power is reserved, and I think that it would be a great improvemen...
Dr Simpson Lab
I am in favour of that area being devolved appropriately so that we can cover all aspects. We already cover some of them. Do our Scottish courts have the po...
Sandra White (Glasgow Kelvin) (SNP) SNP
I commend Dave Thompson for his tenacity and the work that he has carried out over the years to bring this change to fruition. I thank him very much for that...
Alison McInnes (North East Scotland) (LD) LD
The current drink-drive limit was set in 1965. Since then, I am glad to say, perceptions have changed. Public and scientific understanding of the risks has i...
Christian Allard (North East Scotland) (SNP) SNP
Drink driving has been a scourge on Scotland’s roads for too long, leading to completely unnecessary injuries and deaths, and devastating families and commun...
David Stewart (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
As a veteran road safety campaigner, I very much welcome the debate this afternoon and, of course, I will be supporting the Scottish Government’s motion. I ...
Dave Thompson SNP
Does David Stewart agree that, to deal with the full range of issues, we need all the powers relating to the matter to be devolved to the Parliament?
David Stewart Lab
I welcome the work that Dave Thompson has done on drink driving. As Dr Richard Simpson mentioned, there are strong arguments for devolving day-to-day adminis...
Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP) SNP
I will address both amendments. The first one—Graeme Pearson’s—is absolutely fine and dandy. In fact, a great deal of the committee conversation and interrog...
Christine Grahame SNP
No, I have only four minutes. I want to support Margaret Mitchell’s amendment but she will need to clarify what it means, for goodness’ sake. The committee ...
Hanzala Malik (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
Reducing the drink-drive limit is important, and I fully agree with the motion and the Labour Party’s amendment. The UK currently has the highest drink-driv...
Richard Lyle (Central Scotland) (SNP) SNP
As already stated, a drink-driving limit has been in place since 1965. Since then, social attitudes towards those who drink drive have changed; they have cha...
Margaret McCulloch (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Reducing the drink-drive limit will make Scotland’s roads safer. We all know that alcohol affects a driver’s judgment and reaction times, and that the risk o...